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700UW said:
Wouldn't you say that in some way, is why so many people have been affected today?
So many contracts and we always were able to keep the same staffing with no increase in productivity. More numbers, more pay, better benefits. No increase in productivity = no gains.
It is a long discussion, but every contract there is a little bit of progress made by the unions and company to ensure security, wages and benefits for their employees. It is why they negotiate. However, times have changed, and now we feel the pain of making changes that affect the change of the times.
Guess you forgot about the contract in 1992 was concessionary.
there were no raises except for longevity from 1995 till 1999 during negotiations.
The 1999 contract was give and take. No one side clearly gained and 9/11 changed the whole industry.
there were no raises except for longevity from 1995 till 1999 during negotiations.
The 1999 contract was give and take. No one side clearly gained and 9/11 changed the whole industry.
700UW said:
No I didn't forget and you are correct in your response. I gave 3.5% back in order for the contract to pass. I got the 3.5% back plus 100% on top. I didn't believe Bill. F. when he told us to vote yes, but had to go up to him and tell him thank you and that I was wrong. However, the company saw it as a step in the right direction and little by little they have been cutting work from each group, but not until now has it affected manpower. That is the difference. To go from one mechanic and one utility per gate to a 50/50 ratio to mechanics only doing pushes to where we are now and not, until recently, loose any people just does not justify the contract changes. To not loose any manpower does not seem like much of a gain. You don't get productivity ny cutting work, you get it by increasing work with the same staffing. The company has been taking work away, but leaving the same staffin, no good.
There was never a staffing formula in the contract, in CLT for example before the 92 contract it was 2 mechs per 3 gates. The contract gave examples of total headcount when it came to pushbacks %, and extra staffing for 757 and 767s were not counted in the ratio (utility).
And there has not been one mech and one ute for gates in years.
And work was increased in 92 with the CLT hangar and support shops, you forget we had over 400 planes at one point.
And there has been layoffs since 2001, where have you been?
And there has not been one mech and one ute for gates in years.
And work was increased in 92 with the CLT hangar and support shops, you forget we had over 400 planes at one point.
And there has been layoffs since 2001, where have you been?
700UW said:
If you going to start with your nonsense then I will hit my ignore function again and avoid you again.
I have been working and very, very aware of what has been going on. There was not staffing formula in the contract until the 50/50 ratio started, true. You merely posted what everybody knows. When I started here it was three mechanics for two gates and some used to argue about which two had to go out to push an aircraft. There was one utility per gate. They made it 50/50and the utility started argueing that they couldn't be there because they had to service the water and lavs on each gate. You know very well what I am talking with. You know that.
I did not forget what shops and hangars added, but your not going to tell me there were no bids posted. In the late 90's I was a low man with around 5000 mechanics, several years later there was over 6. That's a manpower increase. I look at my social security forms I get and I have made more money year after year since I started. Thats wage increase.
Your post is full of it.
The lav and water utility were never assigned to work pushbacks. They were on lavs and water and not counted in the ratio.
The ratio was merely a guideline that you had to have at least 50% of the mechs assigned to the gates doing pushes.
More people were hired because the planes were getting older and more work required, another hanger was opened in TPA adding jobs.
And your W2 went up because you got longevity raises, there were no COLA increase from 1995 through 1999.
And bids being posted does not mean hiring.
And how much OT did you work?
The lav and water utility were never assigned to work pushbacks. They were on lavs and water and not counted in the ratio.
The ratio was merely a guideline that you had to have at least 50% of the mechs assigned to the gates doing pushes.
More people were hired because the planes were getting older and more work required, another hanger was opened in TPA adding jobs.
And your W2 went up because you got longevity raises, there were no COLA increase from 1995 through 1999.
And bids being posted does not mean hiring.
And how much OT did you work?
You're right DR.EVIL, back to the topic. I should have know better than to think I would have a fair two way interchange anyway.
I am not one much for rumor, but my history shows me that when the guys on the floor are hearing things, and the chatter begins, they usually come true at some point in the future.
That's probably why upper management doesn't tell the lower levels anything. They know that people love to talk and there are too many X-workers at lower level positions.
I am setting myself up mentally already.
I am not one much for rumor, but my history shows me that when the guys on the floor are hearing things, and the chatter begins, they usually come true at some point in the future.
That's probably why upper management doesn't tell the lower levels anything. They know that people love to talk and there are too many X-workers at lower level positions.
I am setting myself up mentally already.
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700UW
You need to get back on topic and stop taking the bait!!
Simple fact, PIT IS GOING TO CLOSE. No doubt in anyone's mind.
The Focus city is going to be reduced to a destination point. No longer a focus city.
US will reduce to the 10 gates and will be lucky to use 1/2 of them.
PIT Mtc will shut down. Right now CLT and PIT are running at 1/2 capacity. The new US has no intention of doing work in house. It does not matter what Frank says. The investors are going to want the cheapest Mtc they can find. Simple as that. The cheapest is not PIT or CLT. CLT being the newer facility and the location of training you will see all of the Mtc moved to CLT and PIT shut down.
The Ops center at RIDC park will be moving to Tempe/PHX. It serves no purpose for the headquarters to be on one side of the country and Ops on the other. They need to be close together.
Why do you think Uncle Al was put in the Ops position? Thats where the large amount of change is going to occur and you need a bad guy in that position.
Look for Presto to be dumped after the merger in favor of the AW guy.
You need to get back on topic and stop taking the bait!!
Simple fact, PIT IS GOING TO CLOSE. No doubt in anyone's mind.
The Focus city is going to be reduced to a destination point. No longer a focus city.
US will reduce to the 10 gates and will be lucky to use 1/2 of them.
PIT Mtc will shut down. Right now CLT and PIT are running at 1/2 capacity. The new US has no intention of doing work in house. It does not matter what Frank says. The investors are going to want the cheapest Mtc they can find. Simple as that. The cheapest is not PIT or CLT. CLT being the newer facility and the location of training you will see all of the Mtc moved to CLT and PIT shut down.
The Ops center at RIDC park will be moving to Tempe/PHX. It serves no purpose for the headquarters to be on one side of the country and Ops on the other. They need to be close together.
Why do you think Uncle Al was put in the Ops position? Thats where the large amount of change is going to occur and you need a bad guy in that position.
Look for Presto to be dumped after the merger in favor of the AW guy.
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pitguy said:
PitGuy,
Is that what they teach you at the country club? Sounds more like a OZ type of cc.
Yes, you don't know how to live your life after AAA. 😛
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DR.EVIL said:
Thats funny and true
