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Mesa crew told me that they plan on taking over all the gates in C concourse in CLT. As the crew smiled and replied that more 900 are coming from the west and Mesa is not going anywhere. Please someone tell me this is a b*llshit rumor
 
It's bull. First and foremost, Mesa won't be around CLT much longer. Air Wisconsin is taking their place.
 
Not the CRJ-900's!! Sorry to say they are gonna be taking over a lot of mainline 737 flying!! I do believe once the 190's start coming on then you will see them go away. You wanna know how much money they make flying that airplane (CRJ 900)!!! Its a big joke!!
 
Not the CRJ-900's!! Sorry to say they are gonna be taking over a lot of mainline 737 flying!! I do believe once the 190's start coming on then you will see them go away. You wanna know how much money they make flying that airplane (CRJ 900)!!! Its a big joke!!
how much money??? hope its alot since we ppunish the pax on ALL crj flights
 
Ummm, don't bet against this. Afterall, the CRJ-900's have to operate somewhere.

With the shorter stage lengths and lower temps out of CLT (and other US East hubs/cities) vs. that of PHX, they do not take such a weight hit because of the lower performance of the 900's.

Afterall, US Airways is stuck with having to fly these aircraft from the previous agreement in place at AWA. Until that contract runs out they have to utilize them somehow, and despite the shortcomings of the aircraft and the operator, it seems that for now they work best form CLT.

How many get moved to that market depends upon 2 factors IMO. First would involve how many more 737's are phased out, and second will be what plans they have for the E-190.

Obviously the E-190 is a far superior aircraft to the CRJ-900, and I am betting that the company is eager to operate them in/out of PHX in place of the CRJ-900. With the better performance, payload, and first class seating it will be a better choice to fly the "half-con" flights than the 900's.

The other thing about the E-190 is that we can operate them into PHX, the contract Mesa has prohibits any other US Airways Express carrier to fly into PHX.

So chances are that we will see more of the CRJ-900's into CLT and other US East airports, at least until their contract runs out and the E-190's replace them altogether.
 
I can't remember but in LOA 91,3 or 4 we agreed for up to 93 CRJ-900 should the company want to. How ever was told in ground school Mesa will start to be replaced by by the E-190s this fall. No plan to replace the 737 at present.
 
I can't remember but in LOA 91,3 or 4 we agreed for up to 93 CRJ-900 should the company want to. How ever was told in ground school Mesa will start to be replaced by by the E-190s this fall. No plan to replace the 737 at present.
GOOD!!! Maybe they will just use the 900's where the DC-9 and F100 used to be. If they do stay around hopefully it will be the short hops. Let Mesa say what they want, and let's just hope they go on and just leave us alone.
 
The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements with ALPA will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers except that for every two (2) aircraft in excess of the combined 360 aircraft (excluding EMB 190 aircraft) operated at both US Airways and America West, that are added to revenue service in the mainline fleet, the Company may allow three (3) additional CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at Express carriers.
CRJ900–Bombardier’s newest and largest version of the immensely successful CRJ family of regional jets drew its first sale in some two years in late January, when Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group agreed on a still-undefined mix of 20 CRJ700s/CRJ900s for its America West Express network. By early last month Mesa had taken 15 of the 86-seat airplanes claimed in earlier orders, but remained the only customer for a program Bombardier executives once advertised as a solid bridge between existing 70-seat RJs and the emerging class of narrowbodies poised to compete for the bottom of the mainline market. Still, nearly four years after the program’s launch at the 2000 Farnborough Air Show, the firm order tally showed just 25 airplanes, leaving many wondering whether the “sweet spot†about which they talked had turned sour before its time.

Introduced on the strength of a launch order for 10 airplanes from leasing giant GECAS, the CRJ900 drew its first airline customer in March 2001, when Mesa signed a letter of intent that included a firm order for 20 of the 86-seat jets and an option for another 20. Once its own prospects for placing the airplanes disintegrated, however, GECAS canceled its order. Mesa subsequently converted firm orders for five CRJ700s to a follow-on order for five CRJ900s, bringing the program total to 25.

Mesa placed the first aircraft–dressed in America West Express livery and configured in a two-class, 80-seat cabin layout– into service on a route between Los Angeles and Phoenix late last April. A year later, the Phoenix-based airline remains one of the last major carriers in the U.S. whose regional affiliates enjoy unfettered access to regional jets certified to carry more than 70 passengers. Despite widespread relaxation of limits on 50- and 70-seat jets at regional affiliates, the manufacturers’ early projections of more lenient capacity restrictions have yet to materialize, a fact that remains perhaps the CRJ900’s biggest obstacle.

Such constraints again revealed their disruptive potential last July, when union pressure compelled US Airways to convert a firm order for 25 Bombardier CRJ705s to positions for 70-seat CRJ700s. Scheduled originally for first delivery to wholly owned US Airways subsidiary PSA Airlines early this year, the CRJ705–a planned 75-seat, 82,500-pound mtow version of the CRJ900–exceeds the 75,000-pound mtow, 70-seat limits imposed on US Airways regional affiliates by the mainline pilots’ union scope clause. Although it agreed to an exemption for the Embraer 170 and 175, ALPA’s US Airways division refused to grant further concessions for the Bombardier jet.

More recently, Air Canada told representatives from its mainline pilot union that it might replace half a proposed order for 30 CRJ705s with 15 Embraer 170s or 175s. In December Air Canada split a commitment for 90 airplanes between the two manufacturers, but ongoing negotiations over regional-mainline flying rights led the bankrupt airline to reconsider the planned fleet mix to place the Embraer jets with the mainline. It would then convert the remaining CRJ705 positions to an order for 15 CRJ700s, all of which it would assign to wholly owned regional subsidiary Air Canada Jazz.

Meanwhile, in Europe, where scope clauses present virtually none of the market constraints they do in the U.S., the CRJ900 has faced an even tougher sell, drawing just a single firm order from France’s Brit Air for four airplanes, only to see it canceled a few months later.

Of course, when Bombardier introduced the CRJ900, no one could have predicted the economic upheaval 9/11 would eventually produce, and the severe interruption in the flow of financing for new airplanes in virtually every seat class. Although its commonality attributes appeal most to regional airlines already flying CRJs, the 86-seat jet might have also filled a role at the lowest end of the single-aisle mainline range, surmised Bombardier. It has failed to deliver on that promise, however, as rival Embraer prepares to fill its first order from the emerging low-fare niche with the larger, 98-seat Embraer 190.

The CRJ900 reached the market some two years before the scheduled first delivery of the 78- to 86-seat Embraer 175, its closest competitor in terms of seating capacity and weight. Embraer promotes the 175’s more spacious cabin and baggage capacity as vital attributes for the longer routes it believes airplanes in that seat class will serve. Nevertheless, a tentative launch order from India’s Jet Airways fizzled last year, leaving Embraer with only a tentative commitment from US Airways to convert some positions for 70-seat 170s to 175s.

In reaction to “competitive pressures,†Bombardier last year assigned more range to the CRJ900 with a so-called paperwork mod that increased its maximum reach to 1,914 nm. Dubbed the CRJ900LR, the variant promises a maximum takeoff weight of 84,500 pounds–4,000 more than the standard CRJ900 and 2,000 pounds higher than the mid-range CRJ900ER. Bombardier v-p Barry McKinnon explained that the company arrived at the extra range by apportioning the higher takeoff weights, thus expanding the airplane’s payload-range envelope without modifying the airframe.
 
Theres a niche for both the crjs and the 190s. The Mesa Crj900 is indeed a hell wagon, not sure if thats because of the seats the carrier uses or if its just the plane.

The crj900 is fine on a route that is all express, but has one or two frequencies htat need more seats. Short hops, real express routes only- not long flights. The E170/190 should be for longer flights into business markets.
 
It's bull. First and foremost, Mesa won't be around CLT much longer. Air Wisconsin is taking their place.

I believe you are incorrect. Air Wisconsin is replacing the 50 seat RJ's that MESA used to fly for US, not the CRJ90. The 90's are here to stay for a while.

Mesa crew told me that they plan on taking over all the gates in C concourse in CLT. As the crew smiled and replied that more 900 are coming from the west and Mesa is not going anywhere. Please someone tell me this is a b*llshit rumor


Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there aren't any more CRJ90's out west (or very few) that would be heading east. The 737 retirements are complete, for now.
 
I believe you are incorrect. Air Wisconsin is replacing the 50 seat RJ's that MESA used to fly for US, not the CRJ90. The 90's are here to stay for a while.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there aren't any more CRJ90's out west (or very few) that would be heading east. The 737 retirements are complete, for now.

You are correct on both counts.
 
While the contract Mesa had with HP doesn't expire for a while, there is a possibility that the 900 might leave sooner. Orenstein's latest message said that they have in their contract with UAL the option to operate 84-86 passenger capacity planes. UAL has supposidly been very happy with Mesa out of DEN, and is looking to narrow down Mesa to one fleet type. This could be the out US is looking for to finally get rid of Mesa and bring it all back in-house.
 

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