Poll: Keep or drop ALPA?

[Pennsylvania_born]

You are kidding, right?

While your current FO's were learning to read, the US's current FOs were already flying for US and they are now junior to these snot nosed kids. That seems a bit off, huh Skeeter? I doubt any of those Phoenix boys are going to have to dust off those passports anytime soon. This one is almost worse than being a scab. If you ever fly their trips, you will forever be treated like one.

One more thing about the age of the first officers. I am in my fifties and I fly with first officers older than me all the time. Only a few are really young, with a DOB in the 80's.

IIRC,when looking at the east seniority list,it seemed the company hired several pilots as young as 21 or 22 in the past. If you group the pilots among their hire date,itlooks like pilots were hired within a 10-15 year range from their mid/early 20's to their mid/late 30's. By the arbitrary nature of the hiring process, I bet you have some captains who are younger than their F/O's.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

1) If you think that it's a done deal, and that you've won..Why are you wasting valuable heartbeats trying to convince us that we're helpless here?😉

If you think its not a done deal and you are going to have it overturned then why you wasting valuable heartbeats trying to convince everyone including yourself that you have unlimited options and the upperhand? :bleh:

 

[PITbull]

That is completely false and you are or have been given so really bad information. To do as you suggest would mean that anytime a company didn't like a decision they could just rewrite the contract to suit them. Now that's not to say they don't do this anyway but I think you get the point.

To be blunt and what history has proven is that when a company decides they don't like union contracts or want out of obligations....they just dance into BK. Some a few times using up all their "aces in a hole".

 

[USA320Pilot]

In addition, the East pilots can impose a new union on the AWA pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Hawkhunter]

The current east first officers are situated as good or better in the larger combined list then they were before. They have jobs because of this merger. Can you recognize that fact Scooter?

We are required to carry our passports already. Mine is quite worn actually.

Don't even try to call us scabs! We did not ask for this merger, (most of us)we are just doing our best and maintaining a high level of professionalism during a difficult transition.Some of your east buddies are whining about leaving the union and crossing a picket line if AWA pilots are forced to go section 6. We followed the process in the merger and we are living by the arbitrators ruling. There are just as many inequities, percieved or real, on the AWA side of the list as there are on the east side. Result? Nobody is really happy. The professionals just move forward, those living in the past or in some kind of nether-world, are allowing the decision to really trip them up.

Then just stay out there Scooter. I would never call you a scab except those of you who scabbed with Wien Air and in Austraila. How many scabs are still there scooter? We dont have any here. Thats the kind AWA attracted though. We will all get along fine if you all stay west scooter.

 

[BoeingBoy]

years of East upgrades, years of East growth (gee, who has the cheaper contract and international authority), years of attrition that our pilots can take advantage of...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - East bet on DOH and lost. Having nothing left to wager except their jobs (potential jobs in the case of the furloughed) do you really want to bet that on the chance that everything will work out perfectly for the East pilots?

Before you answer, please realize that a lot of those things you cite as "advantages" of operating separately are based on faulty (or possibly faulty) assumptions. You should have learned by now that just because USA320 says it doesn't make it true.....

Jim

 

[b737fo]

Furthermore, a very well organized group of US Airways pilots have started the process of decertifying ALPA at US Airways, which could lead to the forced and imposed decertification of AWA ALPA.


Therefore, with no agreement the US Airways East pilots would have a lower cost contract. Thus, when it comes time to replace aircraft where would it make sense for the company to do this? On the West side where the pilot costs are higher or on the East side where costs are lower? Could one pilot group see a reduction of flying and aircraft because there was no new joint contract and the Transition Agreement would remain in force?


I will fight any attempt to implement the Nicolau Award because it is unfair and an AWA pilot windfall. Thus, there needs to be a negotiated solution for the company to move forward.



P.S. If the AWA pilot Section VI negotiations ever went to a 30-day cooling off period and a strike, how many US Airways East pilots would cross the AWA picket line?

So now the East wants to strong arm my union from me.

Then they are willing to undercut me on flying performed. Isn't that what has been so wrong in this industry for years? Look at the regionals right now.

Finally, the implication of crossing an ALPA picket line to perform struck flying.

Those threats WILL NOT bring me to your negotiating table. I will not be coerced to your negotiating table by shake down tactics like that.

 

[AWA320]

In addition, the East pilots can impose a new union on the AWA pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

OOOHHHH, that'll work :down:
What time is it on that planet you're on???

 

[FLYLOW22]

Kinda like the West won the lottery, but lost the ticket...

More like "Never knew what to do with the winnings anyway."

 

[b737fo]

More like "Never knew what to do with the winnings anyway."

What does that mean? Maybe I am dumb because I am a West pilot but I don't understand that statement.

 

[Phoenix]

If you think its not a done deal and you are going to have it overturned then why you wasting valuable heartbeats trying to convince everyone including yourself that you have unlimited options and the upperhand? :bleh:

🙄 :angry: 🙄

 

[flyboeing737]

In addition, the East pilots can impose a new union on the AWA pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Smoking some good crack??

 

[700UW]

In addition, the East pilots can impose a new union on the AWA pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Once again you speak of things you have no clue or idea about.

Both the West and East Pilots would vote in any representational dispute.

You cant impose anything on anyone.

Might as well stop the stupid rhetoric.

 

[phasersonstun2]

I have thought a lot about the seniority integration award where at the time of the merger 19-year US Airways First Officers are now junior to 3-month AWA First Officers and about 1,500 furloughees, with as much as 15 years of tenure, have been stapled to the bottom of the seniority list. I believe there is no right mind that thinks this is reasonable...

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Dude, its' a complete waste of time to argue about the seniority list and how your dream list would look. While the east MEC is presenting their argument to ALPA national, I would be adjusting my outlook to live under the new list.

This way, if an adjustment is made, then you are happy. If there is no adjustment made, then you have accepted the list and moved on. Again you are happy... or should be.

 

[EastUS]

"Dude"???