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sky high states: EVERYONE lost major bucks, trust me, getting a $700.00 check on the 30th and wonder who can pay RENT or a MORTAGE on that.

Whoa!! I do not wish to pry, but how many days & guarantee hours does that cover?? Been gone 11 yrs, so I am not current on pay schedules.

That is a "Pittance", if I may say so! How dare they!!!! Something must be done!!

My Heart goes out to all of you .....

2B
 
Whoa!! I do not wish to pry, but how many days & guarantee hours does that cover?? Been gone 11 yrs, so I am not current on pay schedules.
That is a "Pittance"

sky high states: 11 years ago, the 30th paycheck ranged in the $900.00 range. The current level is a blockholder, non-option. Blocks range from the 70's to the high 80's.
85 being average.


only stating opinions.
 
sky high states: I work weekends mostly, so your clarification means nothing to me, personally. :lol:
only stating opinions.
As I said earlier, I am sorry that you are inconvenienced by the weekend obligation. Someday, you won't have to fly weekends, just like I will when I get my block. So be it.
 
sky high states: 11 years ago, the 30th paycheck ranged in the $900.00 range. The current level is a blockholder, non-option. Blocks range from the 70's to the high 80's.
85 being average.
only stating opinions.

Thank You for the reply! In 11 yrs, cost of living has skyrocked, and you are talking a 25% cut of an already low wage! That is terrible, simply terrible! Bottom line, after the 15th paycheck, where do you stand? (realizing the 30th is an advance)


2B
 
Just a point not to lose sight of. Profit sharing was negotiated between the Unions and the Old US Airways management during BK. Management is not responsible how your elected representatives divy up the pie. If you think it's not fair spend your energy contacting your union rep.

I am not sure why I posted this here....I was responding to xoxo's comment about the MAA W2 being combined. So.....

Unfortunately I don't believe it will. You didn't get paid by mainline. You got paid by the Express payroll. I cannot remember off hand what that was called.
 
I am not sure why I posted this here....I was responding to xoxo's comment about the MAA W2 being combined. So.....

Unfortunately I don't believe it will. You didn't get paid by mainline. You got paid by the Express payroll. I cannot remember off hand what that was called.

Express Payroll?

You mean they printed the checks on different paper, because they share the exact same employeer id number.

Doesn't matter really. I don't recall any profit sharing plan agreement in the MidTitanic contract. Anybody know for sure? I pitched the contract that arrived too late.

The AFA agreed to give profit sharing to the WEST FAs, but don't hold your breath for them giving it to anybody who worked in a division of US called MidAtlantic.

Anyway, I don't know for sure but my best guess is the time won't count.
 
As talked about in another thread....THIS IS ANOTHER BLOW TO THE RESERVE. Unfreakin believable.
I think it should be based on the number of hours you worked. Use the same rate for every hour, for every flight attendant. You receive more if you worked more. Using the W2 method lets the senior end of the group double dip.
 
I think it should be based on the number of hours you worked. Use the same rate for every hour, for every flight attendant. You receive more if you worked more. Using the W2 method lets the senior end of the group double dip.

Your way would allow them to double dip too. The more hours you worked, the bigger your W2!!!!

Reserves on the East are lucky they get 30-40 hours a month as opposed the the 100+ that some of the senior people get because alot are "GREEDY BAST$#DS that overfly!!!!!
 
Profit Sharing Announced
***from the Council 66 Eline***




Profit Sharing for East Flight Attendants was negotiated in exchange for contract concessions in the 2nd US Airways bankruptcy filing. West Flight Attendants were included in the profit sharing through the AFA/US Airways Transition Agreement.

Andy,

When did the f/as vote for a Transition Agreement???

I was informed that the joint negotiating committee is still negotiating a "transition agreement", and once they obtain a completed agreement it will go out to all f/as for a vote. The East MEC voted last year to share with West f/as the "profit sharing" provision from the East contract whereby increasing the pool of f/as to share their 14.5% which is $8.5 million. Which means instead of approx 4,700 f/as sharing in the East operation profits, the approx 3,000 f/as from the West will share in a profit sharing plan that encompasses profits from West operation AND the East operation. The Company would not negotiate a separate profit sharing for the West and establish their own West pool from the profits made by the West operation.

Please clarify your above statment.
 
Andy,

When did the f/as vote for a Transition Agreement???

I was informed that the joint negotiating committee is still negotiating a "transition agreement", and once they obtain a completed agreement it will go out to all f/as for a vote. The East MEC voted last year to share with West f/as the "profit sharing" provision from the East contract whereby increasing the pool of f/as to share their 14.5% which is $8.5 million. Which means instead of approx 4,700 f/as sharing in the East operation profits, the approx 3,000 f/as from the West will share in a profit sharing plan that encompasses profits from West operation AND the East operation. The Company would not negotiate a separate profit sharing for the West and establish their own West pool from the profits made by the West operation.

Please clarify your above statment.

The JNC is negotiating our Merged Contract and once they have that completed it will be sent to all US Airways Flight Attendants to ratify. The Transition Agreement was drafted by the Company and the AWA MEC and USA MEC…

The East MEC decided to include the West Flight Attendants in the profit sharing plan as part of the Transition Agreement. Most of the other labor groups have included their West counterparts in the profit sharing plan. AFA's decision to include the West Flight Attendants in the plan was decided by the East MEC in January 2006.


HOW DID THE PROFIT SHARING PLAN COME ABOUT? (USA/MEC E-line)

The profit sharing plan was originally introduced to the employees by the Company, then controlled by the Retirement System of Alabama (remember them), prior to the September 2004 bankruptcy filing. The plan proposed at the time was to pay 10% of the pre-tax profits for margins between zero and 5%, and 25% of pre tax profits for margins above 5% Then CEO, Bruce Lakefield, described the plan as "industry leading", but it would only be implemented if the Company could reorganize outside of bankruptcy.

Initial Company proposals to all labor groups were so outrageous it became clear there would be a lengthy negotiations process. In short, the initial plan was an attempt to buy the labor groups off. AFA recognized the first contract proposal the Company wanted us to accept was so bad that we would never agree to the terms.

The playing field changed dramatically once US Airways declared bankruptcy in September of 2004. As the bankruptcy case progressed one fact became clear-without outside investors the Company would fail. The profit sharing plan then became contingent on acceptance by any potential investors, and more importantly, became conditional on what is known, in bankruptcy law, as the "Plan of Reorganization" (POR). The Company then watered down the plan in order to satisfy the creditors and investors. The new plan and its terms (what we have today) was offered to the labor groups with the proviso it would only become a reality if the POR was approved. The plan formula and payout stipulations were not the result of negotiations between the Company and AFA or any other labor group but rather the result of the court, the investors and the creditors. The only latitude AFA was afforded was to determine who would be considered "an eligible Flight Attendant" in order to receive a profit sharing payout.

The merger between America West and US Airways ultimately provided the investment opportunity that saved both airlines. The investment community believed the merger would provide a viable airline; the money poured in based on the merger outlook that included, among other "synergies", the watered down version of the original profit sharing plan. The court approved the POR, which included the revised profit sharing plan, based on the merger and the acceptance of the POR by the investors and creditors.
 
The paychecks for MAA was mailed from the SSO, Shared Services Organization which is just the former Allegheny HQ in MDT. They handle the payroll for Piedmont and PSA and at the time the MAA dvision. They just printed them and handled the claims. The two subsidiaries were paid by the subsidiary, MAA was paid by US Airways- again same tax ID number. So there was no being paid "by Express" unless you were working for one of the two owned Express carriers-- MAA was paid by mainline. Why would Piedmont or PSA pay mainline employees?

So America West is paid by f'ing America West and our AFA is happy to give THEM our hard earned profit--- but god forbid they do ONE F***ING THING FOR THIER OWN FLIGHT ATTENDANTS. Just like furloughees who are new hires at HP get longevity for thier time at ANOTHER airline but they won't give it to us for working for the same certificate, same airline... We gave up EVERYTHING- TWICE- for that company and for everyone elses job. Wheres our thanks? Who else did the same job for the same company under no contract to save the company? None of you. And certainly not America freaking West.

Don't worry, we'll get ours...


So Piedmont, a wholly owned actual Express subsidiary, said they are getting profit sharing.... so the "DIVISION" better or all hell will really break loose!
 
Express Payroll?

SSO (Shared Services Organization) I think that is what it stands for...They handle Express (PSA/Piedomont) payroll That is what I meant. Sorry, I couldn't remember what it was called.

OOOPPPS!!!! Didn't see the above post! Thanks EMBFA

I couldn't have said it better myself
 
The JNC is negotiating our Merged Contract and once they have that completed it will be sent to all US Airways Flight Attendants to ratify. The Transition Agreement was drafted by the Company and the AWA MEC and USA MEC…

The East MEC decided to include the West Flight Attendants in the profit sharing plan as part of the Transition Agreement. Most of the other labor groups have included their West counterparts in the profit sharing plan. AFA's decision to include the West Flight Attendants in the plan was decided by the East MEC in January 2006.
HOW DID THE PROFIT SHARING PLAN COME ABOUT? (USA/MEC E-line)

The profit sharing plan was originally introduced to the employees by the Company, then controlled by the Retirement System of Alabama (remember them), prior to the September 2004 bankruptcy filing. The plan proposed at the time was to pay 10% of the pre-tax profits for margins between zero and 5%, and 25% of pre tax profits for margins above 5% Then CEO, Bruce Lakefield, described the plan as "industry leading", but it would only be implemented if the Company could reorganize outside of bankruptcy.

Initial Company proposals to all labor groups were so outrageous it became clear there would be a lengthy negotiations process. In short, the initial plan was an attempt to buy the labor groups off. AFA recognized the first contract proposal the Company wanted us to accept was so bad that we would never agree to the terms.

The playing field changed dramatically once US Airways declared bankruptcy in September of 2004. As the bankruptcy case progressed one fact became clear-without outside investors the Company would fail. The profit sharing plan then became contingent on acceptance by any potential investors, and more importantly, became conditional on what is known, in bankruptcy law, as the "Plan of Reorganization" (POR). The Company then watered down the plan in order to satisfy the creditors and investors. The new plan and its terms (what we have today) was offered to the labor groups with the proviso it would only become a reality if the POR was approved. The plan formula and payout stipulations were not the result of negotiations between the Company and AFA or any other labor group but rather the result of the court, the investors and the creditors. The only latitude AFA was afforded was to determine who would be considered "an eligible Flight Attendant" in order to receive a profit sharing payout.

The merger between America West and US Airways ultimately provided the investment opportunity that saved both airlines. The investment community believed the merger would provide a viable airline; the money poured in based on the merger outlook that included, among other "synergies", the watered down version of the original profit sharing plan. The court approved the POR, which included the revised profit sharing plan, based on the merger and the acceptance of the POR by the investors and creditors.
Thanks for copying and pasting Mike's e-lines.

ALPA is the only group to share their profit sharing, but not their stock options and this arrangement was agreed upon before emergence from BK. IAM and CWA have not and will wait for their ratified merged agreements.
 
A good observation. Labor only got what was negotiated by their unions. Some did a better job than others. The pilots were able to see the bigger picture, unlike the IAM. Lets not forget the "concession stand is closed".

CCY was fair based on the circumstances. Airways has a
much brighter future today than it did four years ago. I left CCY very proud quite proud of my accomplishments and the outcome. The company still has a long way to go...but it headed on the right flight plan.

The current employees (west/east) should be mindful that they would not be in the current situation (profit sharing) if it were not for the previous management team and labor sacrifices. We all had to make personal sacrifices during BK. It was not fun, but was essential to our survival. Sometimes that business acumen does pay off!
Your group had many chances to work with the company. I had a front row seat and know what took place with the negotiations. Your unions hard line stance only hurt the group. We offered more, but it was rejected. I will even say that a certain local afa union president also did more harm for her group. I won't mention names, but she loved talking to the media. We just ignored her most of the time.

My sacrafices were greater than what you contributed. Go cash your golden parachute. What harm did she do to our group? You are full of it.
 


Are you implying that the past USA Management (read Jerry Glass) was willing to be more generous? There is always a give and take in negotiations…if they were willing to give more, where was the take going to come from?! Are you willing to share that?
 

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