Pumpkin Orange Vests

[wings396]

If goofy orange vests are in the FAA approved company operations manual they are.
I can't believe all this angst over a few ounces of cloth. :blink:

How many times do I have to go over this??
Yes, they are in the company manuals, which are approved by the FAA, but not created by the FAA. The company and it's employees must adhere to what is written in the book.
As I keep saying, the FAA DOES NOT write the manuals, but they do ensure that any procedures in the book are followed. So if the manual said that all rampers must wear pink shorts, and a beenie propeller cap while guiding an A/C, then we would have to do so. The FAA is looking to see that procedures are being followed period. Certain items are in the manuals due to the companies choosing, and they are not always an industry standard. 😉

 

[usedtobe]

Wings396 I could not have said it better myself! Maybe that is why everyone has to wear the stupid vests because of people that just don't GET IT. I am now furloughed by the powers that be and I remember when they started making us wear them. At my station we balked for quite a while and even up to the end not everyone wore them all the time. I can't tell you how many times mine got caught while hooking up the towbar or getting caught on bags. Maybe they will rethink them when somehow they get trapped on a beltloader and pull someone hand or foot under! Maybe that is why we were outsourced because they wanted experience out and people that don't give a rat's behind in.

 

[Fixed Wing]

The airports in the US should follow the European airport rules. The airport authorities state it very simple ..... If your company wants to do business on our ramp....every single employee will wear a safety vest or the employee will pay a large fine.

Go to Europe and you will see every person on the ramp with a safety vest. Not a lot of whinning about it either.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

As I keep saying, the FAA DOES NOT write the manuals, but they do ensure that any procedures in the book are followed.

No ####.What do you think I said in my post above? If the company includes that in the operations manual, then the FAA will be looking at you on the ramp for compliance with the company published procedures.


You people are way too bent out of shape over something as trivial as a safety vest.

I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[700UW]

I believe what he meant was it was NOT an FAR.

Also they are a pain, as we in mtc were the first to have to wear them.

 

[Fixed Wing]

Also they are a pain, as we in mtc were the first to have to wear them.

Whaaaaaa! I guess you're going to tell me that the company forced you to wear ear protection also. Also that frikin' rule about wearing a harness when you are in the deicing bucket! What's with that?....You have deiced a plane in a bucket haven't you? Or where you in an enclosed heated cab?
Or how about that pain in the butt harness you have to wear when in the hangar working on top of the fuselage? It's all a plot to bring the working man down I tell you....

 

[700UW]

Do I have to explain the difference between a safety device to prevent injury vs an orange vest that has lead to numerous injuries?

Get real!

 

[Fixed Wing]

Do I have to explain the difference between a safety device to prevent injury vs an orange vest that has lead to numerous injuries?

Get real!

Seriously, I agree with the concept of the safety vest as a high visibility item on the ramp. And I agree with 700 that the ones that are issued to the employees now are cheap and easily get snagged.
The right thing to do is to issue a decent high visibility item that fits properly and is what it's meant to be....safe. Maybe the IAM safety committe should take this on as an issue???

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Do I have to explain the difference between a safety device to prevent injury vs an orange vest that has lead to numerous injuries?

We've never had a guy run over by someone pulling four double dollies while wearing a vest, but about 8-9 years ago at JFK we did have a guy who wasn't wearing his vest get run over by a tractor and four double dollies.

He's a quadraplegic, they have a collection for him and his family every year at Christmas time. 🙁


With us it's a day one item, so it isn't a big deal to wear the thing, it's as much a part of the uniform as wands,knee pads and headsets.

 

[700UW]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

At US only the marshaller and wing walker are required to wear the vest and the only time it is worn is during reciept and dispatch duties.

Not when working the flight or doing any other ancillary duties.

All US Uniforms have reflective material on them.

Understand it now?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

At US only the marshaller and wing walker are required to wear the vest and the only time it is worn is during reciept and dispatch duties.

Not when working the flight or doing any other ancillary duties.

All US Uniforms have reflective material on them.

Understand it now?

Why do you have to be so condescending?

 

[sharktooth]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

At US only the marshaller and wing walker are required to wear the vest and the only time it is worn is during reciept and dispatch duties.

Not when working the flight or doing any other ancillary duties.

All US Uniforms have reflective material on them.

Understand it now?

So, what do you do with the vest in 'tween times, put it in your pocket?

Seems to me a quality vest would solve a lot of problems.

Seems to me that LCC goes four times a year to Walmart to buy a $30 item that SWA goes to Costco once a year and spends $60 for a higher quality item.

And you wonder what "low cost" really means.

 

[700UW]

Leave them on the pushback tug or hang them under the jetway.

 

[Pylit]

When they change the uniforms, why not have fluorescent orange shirts with reflective logos issued for all rampers? Aha! No more non-compliance...