Remember this in 2005? Union leaders bad or good?

[700UW]

I dont how a company would constantly attack, wages, benefits etc.. from employees who make the company its money.

 

[N965VJ]

The young people entering the workforce don't care about unions or decades-long employment with the same company, and the fact that unions don't actively reach out to them proves this. Sure, you might see some kid wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt running his mouth while daddy pays the college tuition, but I think they're also bummed out because they missed all the free love and good drugs in the 60s.

OK - It's time for you guys to come out of the SUN and turn off the AM radio. Yes, it's time to say "good night" to "RUSH" and "SEAN" for the day.

The only thing I listen to during the day is Pandora, and I don't find opinion shows shows on television enlightening or entertaining, so sorry to burst your vision of conservatives.

Stereo typing everyone that believes or participates in organized labor or a union as an __________ is stupid

Is stereo typing having both hands on the keyboard? 😛

1. have never been in a union - so really don't know what they are talking about

Over $7,000 in dues to AFA (why do they call themselves an association instead of a union?) You would think they would be able to churn out a better rag than Flightlog. I mean, look at ALPA's magazine.

2. are in a union, but despise the fact - but not the money they earn as a result of a CBA

I was always getting hollered at for underflying. Hey, I have a lot of other things going on.

3. jealous for not earning comparable wages as their union peers

I've found being self-employed much more lucrative. And yes, I know not everyone is cut out for that.

I wouldn't trust Tempe and Company as far as I could throw them.

No argument there.


I think people would be far better off if they went back to school to learn a skill or start a business, instead of hoping some dopey union will get a stupid airline to improve their income or quality of life. 😉

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

700 the difference is a CEO or corpoaration is just looking out for themselves just as unions do but they don't claim some BS moral high ground about helping the masses. Your so far brainwashed by this union crap you can't see reality right in your face. Unions have killed jobs way more then they have saved. They have helped created a ruiling elite in Washinton bent on srewing us all. What do you have to show for your dues? I'll tell ya, nothing. Biggest waste of money ever! I'd be bitter too if I had bought into this job for life with ever growing benefits while the union negotiated jobs and benefits away to protect themselves above all else. You really should know who your enemy is.

Greedy CEOs and corporations have killed just as many jobs as any union ever supposedly has - don't be so naive.

If there is an economic incentive to save a buck - this company as well as the rest of corporate America (today) will do it to maximize profits and enrich themselves. Corporarions could care less if there is a union on the property or not - if they are set on outsourcing and reducing staff the employees are going to get screwed. Think I am wrong? Look around this place. Labor contracts are violated on a daily basis.
Unions are not the BOOGIE MAN nor do they posses sinister intentions or anti-business.

Unions simply provide work rule protections for the employees.

To put it in terms you can understand: think of a union and collective bargaining agents as the "lubricant" for the employees when the company has less than honorable intentions.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

The young people entering the workforce don't care about unions or decades-long employment with the same company, and the fact that unions don't actively reach out to them proves this. Sure, you might see some kid wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt running his mouth while daddy pays the college tuition, but I think they're also bummed out because they missed all the free love and good drugs in the 60s.




The only thing I listen to during the day is Pandora, and I don't find opinion shows shows on television enlightening or entertaining, so sorry to burst your vision of conservatives.



Is stereo typing having both hands on the keyboard? 😛



Over $7,000 in dues to AFA (why do they call themselves an association instead of a union?) You would think they would be able to churn out a better rag than Flightlog. I mean, look at ALPA's magazine.



I was always getting hollered at for underflying. Hey, I have a lot of other things going on.



I've found being self-employed much more lucrative. And yes, I know not everyone is cut out for that.


No argument there.


I think people would be far better off if they went back to school to learn a skill or start a business, instead of hoping some dopey union will get a stupid airline to improve their income or quality of life. 😉

I agree with everything that you posted.

No, you didn't burst my bubble - I basically could care less whether someone is conservative or a liberal. What is important is intelligence. Both parties are as hypocritical as they make their adversary out to be. Both parties are at fault and to blame for the mess this country finds itself in. I personally blame corporate greed and partisan career politicians - not any union or illegal immigrants. All these problem didn't happen overnight, it took a decade of reckless spending and greed to get us where we find this country today.

Your right - There is only one way you can have real wealth in this world: work for yourself or own your own business.

If you're unable to achieve either of these - you better be seeking as much education as possible to make yourself marketable in the work place.

You don't have to be a scholar to work for an airline - but not so long ago they use to require (or at least prefer) a four year degree. I do prefer working with people that are intelligent as I am sure you do.
These days this airline is lucky to hire people that can pass the drug and background screening , much less require a four year degrees.
Working for an airline used to be a career no matter what your position - now it's just a "job". Thanks Doug.

Maybe being exploited and lied to by the numerous management teams that have waltzed in and out of the corporate offices have made employees recalcitrant. They are simply no longer willing to stand by and watch their career and livelihood destroyed in the perverse pursuit of free market capitalism by self righteous corporate raiders during a so-called merger. Of course there are those that are quick to point out "if you don't like it - you can always quit". Why should I or anyone quit? Did I do something wrong? The only for me to attain maximum Zen and self fulfillment is by quitting or seeking a more advanced college degree? OK.

Why don't we get these corporate lackeys to quit and then maybe we can raise the bar back up a few notches.
I went to college and have a four year degree, I still own my own business (and have for 20 years), but (for now) I still choose to work for US Airways. I should quit after twenty-three years just because of the anti-union desert propagandists? What a load of hypocritical BS.

Tell you what - how about getting some credible and competent management at this airline that is willing to embrace their workforce rather than divide it. TICK-TOCK Doug

Not waiting on any "dopey" union to improve my quality of life or increase my pay. I am simply waiting for my return on my investment. If that doesn't happen - Ill cut my losses and move on.

Looks like we agree on more than we disagree - but I am really getting tired of the hypocritical anti-union blather emanating from the desert followers....

Now I must go and work on QUADROPHONIC typing.
Have a great LABOR DAY weekend.

 

[john john]

Most people working here have two eyes, and can think for themselves. They don't let the "big bad union" tell them what to think or what to do. Most people employed at US Airways are smart enough to call BS - just that: BS all on their very own.

Noticed I said most. The others are content being used as pawns, and couldn't come up with an original thought on their very own if their life depended on it, unless of course management or AM radio approves. You know the real independent types.

I never have despised any of our (previous) management teams with the exception of (just call me) "Dave" Siegal.
Very similar to Parker. I didn't always agree with them, but I respected them because they could MANAGE PEOPLE.
These guys in Tempe are nothing but spread sheet jockeys that don't give a flip about the customers or the employees. It's obvious to those paying attention, and paying the tab. Parker is just another Frank Lorenzo with a slightly different rap for 2011. This so-called AWA Boy wonder and management team couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper sack (with a map, a flashlight and a team of lawyers) but they sure can beat the hell out of their customer and employees.

It's obvious you haven't known any different. This is probably the weakest and most divisive management team this airline's history. I personally don't respect either trait. You can think what you want. I have said it before and Ill say it again: The problems at US Airways aren't labor issues - they are management issues. Think about it.

GOOD POST!

 

[UPNAWAY]

Nice to have the union criminals and thugs all out in full force for labor day!

This is what your union dues are buying!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...n_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

 

[700UW]

See you post on another thread about BS and your instigate, if it wasnt a board violation I would really like to tell you what your about.

And there are more white collar and executives who are criminals and thugs than any union member.

Your insults and attacks shows the whole board your lack or character. Grow up and educate yourself.

People have been killed and maimed in order to join a union.

Why dont you just give up all the protections that you have in the workplace, cause those pesky unions got those enacted.

Why dont you quit, cause if it wasnt for those pesky unions there would be no America West/US Airways, thousands lost their jobs and billions were given back, I lost my pension to keep this company viable.

I would love to tell you how I really feel but I dont want to get a TOS violation.

And why dont you go to work, since this is a holiday brought to you by unions!

Your tax dollars pay for these!

 

[UPNAWAY]

Yea Hoffa is not in anyway associated with organized crime! I bet he knew more gangsters growing up then the godfather. I don't ever recall CEOs or VPs shooting employees or beating them up but union folks do do that from time to time.

You are fighting a losing battle defend the communist (Modern Unions) movement in America!

I bet 90% of the rank and file would beat the heck out of the leadership if they really knew their political views and desires.

 

[700UW]

Why dont you come back when you can actually debate using facts and intelligence.

Do you think you mature by insulting, attacking and actually taking this way off topic and not debating like a mature and intelligent adult would do. makes you superior, well hate to say it you couldnt be more far off base.

You know that police man that protects you and the firemen are union, why dont you tell them how you feel when they save you?

 

[UPNAWAY]

700 are you familiar with the SEIU? The most powerful union in American today who's leaders are avowed communist? I don't care that cops and firefighters still belong to an outdated system that has been taken over by America's enemy. The real issue is why YOU and so many blue color decent hard working Americans fail to see that?
Although most have and that is why unions are less than 7% of private workers in America.

 

[700UW]

You have avoided the WN issue when I brought it up, if you knew anything about US Airways, you would know why there are unions on the property.

And like I said, educate yourself and you will see why there are unions in this country.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Wow, there is one (probably a few other) successful unionized companies out there so cause and effect states that unions must be great!

700 is that your SAT score?

 

[SS255]

Wow, there is one (probably a few other) successful unionized companies out there so cause and effect states that unions must be great!

700 is that your SAT score?

I think the only union I'd want to join is the Directors Guild.

 

[Kev3188]

The real issue is why YOU and so many blue color decent hard working Americans fail to see that?

No, the real issue is how effective corporate messaging has been in convincing people to advocate against their best interests.

 

[nevergiveup]

I think the only union I'd want to join is the Directors Guild.

The ground school instructors at one time numbered 60 with about 6000 pilots. Now they are about 120 with 3500 pilots. Raises and less work. Perhaps the TWU is a better answer.