Reports of up to 20 wounded in shooting in San Bernardino, California

[777 fixer]

Just one observation....had San Bernadino not been a gun free zone....and had about half the attendees been carrying their own guns, the death rate may well have been 15 or more as some attendees would likely have been hit by "friendly fire".  And considering that the people who did this were wearing body armor, some of the additional deaths may well have been the good guys standing up and taking aim on the bad guys.  It's a great theory though...one or two armed people enter a place and a hundred or so law abiding citizens shoot back, kill the bad guys, and then return to having dinner. 

Very few people would have the skill/experience to instantly asses the situation, take cover and accurately return fire.  Against someone  I might add who has the element of surprise and is more heavily armed.

 

[delldude]

Very few people would have the skill/experience to instantly asses the situation, take cover and accurately return fire.  Against someone  I might add who has the element of surprise and is more heavily armed.

 
Element of surprise ends with their first shot. What was it, 6 or 8 in a concert hall? Then 2 in a room of 15?

 

[777 fixer]

 
Element of surprise ends with their first shot. What was it, 6 or 8 in a concert hall? Then 2 in a room of 15?

 
And how many shots can they get off from an AR-15 in five seconds?

 

[Ms Tree]

 
And how many shots can they get off from an AR-15 in five seconds?

A dark hall, filled with nearly 1,000 people all facing the stage sitting side by side.

 

[delldude]

A dark hall, filled with nearly 1,000 people all facing the stage sitting side by side.

 
and 18 inches of flame spouting from the barrel identifying your target
 
You sit and wait to die my friend, I got better things to do.
 
Whats more dangerous in a close confine situation?
 
A pistol or an assault rifle?

 

[townpete]

Nice try, but here's Obummer's exact quote from the day after the shooting: I guess you could always play Tree games and say "workplace related" isn't the same as "workplace violence"...

Tree up to his same weasel wording on page two of this thread: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/59389-islamic-state-master-plan/

Some alternate understanding of "directly related".

lol

 

[southwind]

And all chicken hawks such as yourself and southwind do is talk big but never, as Fox News likes to say, put any skin in the game.

And all Libtard socialists like you do is deny the fact Islamic Terrorists are at war with us and hide in your little rainbows and unicorns world, hoping they end up knocking on someone else's door and not yours!

 

[Ms Tree]

I fail to see how your lack of command of the American language is my fault. Words have meaning. You cant just change them to suit your needs.

 

[Ms Tree]

And all Libtard socialists like you do is deny the fact Islamic Terrorists are at war with us and hide in your little rainbows and unicorns world, hoping they end up knocking on sojmeone else's door and not yours!

When did he deny that tbey are war with the US?

 

[southwind]

A dark hall, filled with nearly 1,000 people all facing the stage sitting side by side.

And I'll take my chances hoping at least one of those 1000 are packing, when an attack happens, thank you very much!

Or maybe, if someone like you were there, you could have told the terrorist they were in a "Gun Free Zone, held their hands and commenced to singing Kumbaya!

 

[townpete]

I fail to see how your lack of command of the American language is my fault. Words have meaning. You cant just change them to suit your needs.

Says the sap who can't understand simple definitions like "related".

lol

 

[southwind]

When did he deny that tbey are war with the US?

So, just how does "HE" believe we should fight this war, with no boots on the ground, on their soil or does "HE" believe no one in the service should ever leave American soil?
Sorry but, BaRacks way doesn't seem to be solving this mystery!

 

[Ifly2]

So, just how does "HE" believe we should fight this war, with no boots on the ground, on their soil or does "HE" believe no one in the service should ever leave American soil?
Sorry but, BaRacks way doesn't seem to be solving this mystery!

If you are so well read and so well informed, why are you asking this question on a web forum?

He told you how he believes we should fight this war, in plain English.

You must be one of those low information people we keep hearing about.

(Now, if you just don't agree, that is a different question, and a different discussion. In that case, perhaps you should get yourself elected, or at least get someone who thinks like you do elected...)

 

[Ifly2]

You're going to just pretend that this never happened?

You asked

Yes, Christians commit acts of terrorism believimg that they are doing god's work...

The first came from the New York Times:
One person who spoke with [Dear] extensively about his religious views said Mr. Dear, who is 57, had praised people who attacked abortion providers, saying they were doing Gods work. In 2009, said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of concerns for the privacy of the family, Mr. Dear described as heroes members of the Army of God, a loosely organized group of anti-abortion extremists that has claimed responsibility for a number of killings and bombings.
The Times reporter also interviewed a close relative of Dears Colorado girlfriend Stephanie Bragg, who said the couple were very religious, read the Bible often and are always talking about scripture. The two reportedly lived in a trailer marked with a small cross, and that Bragg couldnt believe Dear was capable of such things.
Nevertheless, Bragg told the relative she had a theory as to what drove her boyfriend to murder several people in cold blood: He believed he was doing Gods will, and Im sure he probably wanted to die in the process of carrying out what Im sure he thought was right.
Another report from the Charleston Post and Courier claimed that Dear was obsessed with an interpretation of the Christian apocalypse, and used dark, bizarre theology to justify disturbing acts of domestic violence against his ex wife.

The first came from the New York Times:
One person who spoke with [Dear] extensively about his religious views said Mr. Dear, who is 57, had praised people who attacked abortion providers, saying they were doing Gods work. In 2009, said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of concerns for the privacy of the family, Mr. Dear described as heroes members of the Army of God, a loosely organized group of anti-abortion extremists that has claimed responsibility for a number of killings and bombings.
The Times reporter also interviewed a close relative of Dears Colorado girlfriend Stephanie Bragg, who said the couple were very religious, read the Bible often and are always talking about scripture. The two reportedly lived in a trailer marked with a small cross, and that Bragg couldnt believe Dear was capable of such things.
Nevertheless, Bragg told the relative she had a theory as to what drove her boyfriend to murder several people in cold blood: He believed he was doing Gods will, and Im sure he probably wanted to die in the process of carrying out what Im sure he thought was right.
Another report from the Charleston Post and Courier claimed that Dear was obsessed with an interpretation of the Christian apocalypse, and used dark, bizarre theology to justify disturbing acts of domestic violence against his ex wife.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Great idea comparing those two. All they have in common is too many guns and too much hate.  They could be you..

Defending Islamic Terrorism again, I see!

Only a Southern Idiot Child would see comparing a Muslim Terrorist, a Southern Idiot Child Terrorist and a Troll, as defending the Muslim.