Republican controlled house says.."DEFUND Obamacare, or we're SHUTTING the GOVT. DOWN "

[Knotbuyinit]

I do not recall mentioning anything about the individual mandate. All I addressed was the pre-existing condition issue that you brought up and the fact that I would have preferred a single payer health plan that would eventually provide universal health care to all from birth to death with out having to worry about going bankrupt when a severe medical crisis develop.

No, i brought up the individual mandate. I was trying to explain to your ignorant ass that due to the glitch with the individual mandate, with no "family plan" provisions, your dream world expectations that everyone will be covered, is just that, a dream.

 

[Ms Tree]

So you are ignoring the pre-existing condition thing that you brought up earlier? I'm having a hard time keeping up with you when you keep changing issues.

I guess if the mandate thing becomes an issue they can alter the program to take that into account. No program is going to start out perfect and it can be tweaked as needed along the way. I think the current program is quite a bit better than the alternative the republicans have offered.

 

[delldude]

There are many pieces of government initiative, laws, programs, policies, that require amending after initial implementation.

Can you think of one major piece of legislation passed that has never been amended?

Of course you could say we should have thrown out the constitution since it was flawed from the start. Instead, they amended it...many times.

Did they have 22,000 pages?

This is bad for the country, bad for the economy, bad for all involved.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Did they have 22,000 pages?

Yes. Ever look at the US code?

That is an evolving document. Quite a few more than 22K pages.

 

[delldude]

Yes. Ever look at the US code?

That is an evolving document. Quite a few more than 22K pages.

Its a compilation of law, not one bill w/22,000 pages....small difference.

“It is an apple full of worms compared to an apple that’s fresh and delicious.” -Jay Carney

 

[Dog Wonder]

22,000 pages to read, and the Just Ain't Right listens to the radio.

 

[delldude]

22,000 pages to read, and the Just Ain't Right listens to the radio.

Because the 'left out' have been dismal failures in the talk radio arena because they all listen to the 'just ain't right' because they always are.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

So you are ignoring the pre-existing condition thing that you brought up earlier? I'm having a hard time keeping up with you when you keep changing issues.

I guess if the mandate thing becomes an issue they can alter the program to take that into account. No program is going to start out perfect and it can be tweaked as needed along the way. I think the current program is quite a bit better than the alternative the republicans have offered.

True, an insurance company can't deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition but they can deny you coverage if you can't afford it! That's exactly what is happening right now because of the issue that you ignore . . the individual mandate.

"if the mandate issue becomes an issue"! Dude, read much?

 

[southwind]

I gotta' admit that the Teamsters (so far) are taking UPS's action to cut spousal benefits...'Lying-Down'.

With that said, it will be Interesting to SEE if the Railroads or Longshoremen 'put up with' that kind of CRAP.
I mean those containers filled in Boston...Must arrive in Seattle, so as NOT to miss that departing ship bound for Shanghi (SP?), or those Toyotas that are still onboard a Jap ship in Long Beach that are bound for Chicago.

But, then again, if you take our spousal coverage away, then it will COST MORE in hourly wage increases (over -and-above) , come next contract.

EVERYTHING has a Price. 'You can pay me now, or you can pay me later' !

(southwind, this is UNION TALK, ...so theres Nothing for YOU to see here...............MOVE ALONG) !

Never would have guessed you were willing to give Unions a pass, when it comes to BaRack-O-Care.....................Bigot !

 

[Knotbuyinit]

The FEHB Program (that Congress is part of) is already on an exchange with the employer making a contribution and the employee choosing what level of plan, and what company they want to go with.

You can't be serious! Comparing FEHB benefits to Obamacare benefits!?!

A word of caution, don't join the healthcare exchanges programs voluntarily or you end up losing your federal-worker life insurance and retirement programs.

 

[delldude]

True, an insurance company can't deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition but they can deny you coverage if you can't afford it! That's exactly what is happening right now because of the issue that you ignore . . the individual mandate.

"if the mandate issue becomes an issue"! Dude, read much?

Don't forget, prexisting conditions can't be refused but ACA can limit or refuse coverage/treatment.

 

[Ms Tree]

True, an insurance company can't deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition but they can deny you coverage if you can't afford it! That's exactly what is happening right now because of the issue that you ignore . . the individual mandate.

"if the mandate issue becomes an issue"! Dude, read much?

I do read quite a bit. Perhaps you should start. A good place to start regarding this disscussion would include pre-existing conditions and how the ACA deals with it.

As I said earlier, there will be issues with the ACA. The problem lies with the fact that the GOP has no wish to fix the probelms (they seem to think helath care in the US is fine as it is) all they want to do is defund it without anything to replace it. They have had over 20 years to come up with something.

Perhaps thr 2014 elections will 'fix' some of the problems. If the GOP has it's way, they may soon find out that the polls they are looking at now are about as accurate as the polls Rove was looking at when he was on FOX getting bi!tch slapped by Megan Kelly.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

I do read quite a bit. Perhaps you should start. A good place to start regarding this disscussion would include pre-existing conditions and how the ACA deals with it.

As I said earlier, there will be issues with the ACA. The problem lies with the fact that the GOP has no wish to fix the probelms (they seem to think helath care in the US is fine as it is) all they want to do is defund it without anything to replace it. They have had over 20 years to come up with something.

Perhaps thr 2014 elections will 'fix' some of the problems. If the GOP has it's way, they may soon find out that the polls they are looking at now are about as accurate as the polls Rove was looking at when he was on FOX getting bi!tch slapped by Megan Kelly.

Clearly it is the Republicans' fault for not voting to "fix" this mess. No blame whatsoever on the people who actually voted it into law.

When Obama met with the House Republicans, how many of their suggestions did he embrace and integrate into the bill? Where is the proposed legislation from the Senate to amend the ACA and its major problems?

Democrats dropped single payer or public option because they couldn't get a majority of their own party to support either and knew the electoral damage could lose them both houses.

This is a Democratic bill. If it hurts consumers, it is because Democrats have hurt consumers. If it fails, it is because Democrats crafted the law imperfectly. The Republicans have had no hand in creating or passing the law, so they have no responsibility in trying to see it succeed or even moving out of its way to not block it from succeeding. The ACA is passed and any failings are solely at the feet of those who had written and passed the legislation.

If any of your wild concoctions of plans are only successful if you have my full cooperation and that I behave in a very specific and particular manner, than your plan was doomed from its onset... And dumb to begin with.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

I guess if the mandate thing becomes an issue they can alter the program to take that into account.

That silly little mandate thingy just might be an issue after all. . . .

"Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay"

U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia broke ranks with fellow Democrats and said he’d support a stopgap spending plan that delays the individual mandate in President Barack Obama’s health-care law. “There’s no way I could not vote for it,” Manchin said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast today. “It’s very reasonable and sensible.”…

Manchin, 66, said he’d be willing to delay the individual mandate as part of the budget negotiations because the Obama administration in July gave businesses an extra year to provide their workers with health insurance.

“Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now,” Manchin said. “Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?”

 

[KCFlyer]

Don't forget, prexisting conditions can't be refused but ACA can limit or refuse coverage/treatment.

Dell....my ex wife has had Rheumatoid Arthritis since she was 19. She's self employed (realtor). She got sick of being pumped full of drugs and has been coping with her arthritis with exercise and non drug therapies. But for the past 10 years she has been unable to get insurance in case she got breast cancer or cervical cancer....because she had a "preexisting condition". Prior to Obamacare, no insurance would sell her a policy....even if she explicitly stated that she would not make any claims for RA. I hear the Repugs trying a call in petition to defund Obamacare....but not a single one has offered up something that would help those with pre-existing conditions. And because they offer no alternative, one can only assume that they believe that our OLD method was hunky dory. And because while 80% (or so right wing radio tells us) of the population opposes Obamacare....90% didn't think our old method was all that great. So the pugs want to defund Obamacare.....what have they offered up in it's place?