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Questions: When I flew thru CLT last week, I noticed a bunch of RJ's in AW paint jobs parked all along C concourse - I counted 6.

1. Has US gotten rid of that many mainline a/c?

2. Who works those flights, mainline or express agents and mechs?

Thanks
 
Questions: When I flew thru CLT last week, I noticed a bunch of RJ's in AW paint jobs parked all along C concourse - I counted 6.

1. Has US gotten rid of that many mainline a/c?

2. Who works those flights, mainline or express agents and mechs?

Thanks
1- Yes, over 60 aircraft in the last year alone (about1/2 of the fleet since 9/11).
2- Mainline agents, Mesa mechs.
 
I completely understand that AC needed to be cut, but is there a concern that it seems there are more "Express" planes then mainline aircraft?
 
I completely understand that AC needed to be cut, but is there a concern that it seems there are more "Express" planes then mainline aircraft?
We operate more express seats than mainline on our system. Yes, that is a concern by labor but not by management- management makes those decisions not labor.
 
We operate more express seats than mainline on our system. Yes, that is a concern by labor but not by management- management makes those decisions not labor.


Management only turns to labor for paycuts after the outsourcing raises seat mile costs and drives away passengers thereby reducing revenue. Mainline employees then step in with paycuts to make up the difference. Then the employees get to hear from management that the outsourcing is very beneficial to our careers because it benefits our airline. Management then pats themselves on the back, awards themselves more bonuses, and the cycle begins anew.
 
Questions: When I flew thru CLT last week, I noticed a bunch of RJ's in AW paint jobs parked all along C concourse - I counted 6.

1. Has US gotten rid of that many mainline a/c?

2. Who works those flights, mainline or express agents and mechs?

Thanks
The CR9's may be parked on the C-Con because the E-Con is not designed to handle that size of aircraft considering the amount of traffic over on E. E-Con is already crowded with double parked 50 and 70 seat RJ's and Dash 100's and 300's with others waiting for a parking place sometimes. It may be an issue of safety. Also the passenger waiting areas in E-Con are not designed for the number of passengers this aircraft will hold, especially if you have two or three of the CR9's scheduled to board around the same time.
So my take on the question would be an issue of safety more than anything.
 
The CR9's may be parked on the C-Con because the E-Con is not designed to handle that size of aircraft considering the amount of traffic over on E. E-Con is already crowded with double parked 50 and 70 seat RJ's and Dash 100's and 300's with others waiting for a parking place sometimes. It may be an issue of safety. Also the passenger waiting areas in E-Con are not designed for the number of passengers this aircraft will hold, especially if you have two or three of the CR9's scheduled to board around the same time.
So my take on the question would be an issue of safety more than anything.
Good answer but I'd like to add, as it is now, our passengers in the E concourse are sent outside (on most gates) to a panorama of airplanes, Dashes, CRJ's, etc with no idea which airplane to go to. Our ground staff outside can only be so many places at one time. Safety is a huge concern. With the multiple planes parking on one gate situation it is only a matter of time before a passenger gets hurt due to ramp vehicles, tow bars, propellers or any number of dangers on the ramp.... 🙁
 
I completely understand that AC needed to be cut, but is there a concern that it seems there are more "Express" planes then mainline aircraft?
Yes it is a concern, but unfortunately mainline costs were not low enough to allow this to happen.
 
Yes it is a concern, but unfortunately mainline costs were not low enough to allow this to happen.
So we replace mainline jets with higher unit cost RJ's - that solve's the cost problem how???

Jim
 
So we replace mainline jets with higher unit cost RJ's - that solve's the cost problem how???

Jim


Because those higher unit cost jets are staffed by lower cost employees.

I'd love to see if that lowered overall costs - I have my doubts, but so far as I know, US has never broken out express costs (wonder why?)

IMO, the goal of RJ's (as used at US) was less about lowering costs and more about breaking labor's back.

It worked, too.


Silly us, Jim! We've been solving the wrong problem all this time!
 
Silly us, Jim! We've been solving the wrong problem all this time!
I guess it's that executive lingo - when they talk about lowering costs they really mean labor costs. Apparently total costs don't matter......

Jim

ps - you're right - wonder why they don't report Express CASM? Interesting that it can be inferred, though. 1Q06 HP mainline was 8.76 cents for 7,199,426,000 ASM's, US (East) mainline was 11.44 cents for 11,030,599,000 ASM's, and Group (the whole shebang including Express) was 13.01 cents for 19,377,384,000 ASM's. Somehow, those "low express wages" that provided 1,147,359,000 ASM's (5.9% of system ASM's) brought the average CASM up quite a bit.....
 
So we replace mainline jets with higher unit cost RJ's - that solve's the cost problem how???

Jim
This makes sense only on those routes/times where there is a limited demand. Flights will always be full, but it is good to limit the number of seats that have to be sold at or below the average cost.
 
ALCARLOS,

I completely agree that there are markets and/or times of day that don't have the demand to justify using a larger plane. To me, at least, that has never been the issue (although I often wonder where all those passengers went at places like FAY, CAE, AVL, etc, that used to fill a 727, since those markets supposedly will only support turboprops/small RJ's now).

What I do question is using RJ's between our largest hub (CLT) or 'premier' hub (PHL) and major cities. For example, US West flies nothing but mainline metal between PHX and IAH. East, on the other hand, has nothing but Emb-170's between PHL & IAH while using nothing but CRJ-900's from CLT to IAH. The same comparison can be made in other markets.

Methinks dio is right - previous management was more interested in getting rid of mainline employees than they were in lowering "costs", leaving current management in a bind equipment-wise.

Jim
 
I'd bet large now that labor costs are permanently lowered at US, you will see the trend away from small jets and towards 100 seaters and 250 seaters.

With some wiggle room that express employees can work mainline metal in 'emergencies.'
 

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