RJ's on Mainline Gates

[Crzipilot]

Well lowered the bar, from what? Mesa??? or??? I believe express was looking at their own liquidation, and in fact had seen ALPA give up on scope, and watch those jets run off to Mesa/TSA/CHQ. All this while in the back Mgt. and such was whispering how the 328's were leaving and what could they do, etc etc. I wouldn't go as far as looking at PSA as bringing the bar down, hardly. The bar had already been set. Mgt. had so many whipsaws available to them, who knew what was going where. In fact what should a WO do, after watching Grandpa allow the outsourcing of those jets, to ANYONE. Where'd the first jets go?

 

[skyhawk]

I'd bet large now that labor costs are permanently lowered at US, you will see the trend away from small jets and towards 100 seaters and 250 seaters.

With some wiggle room that express employees can work mainline metal in 'emergencies.'

Let's hope not I used to work for Mesa and let me say you don't want a $8 hr fresh out of school A&P working anything more complicated than a lawn mower. Please Keep these idots away form main line metal, they are barely able to breathe on their own.

 

[diogenes]

skyhawk,

Concur.And at this point, so far as I know, express mechs cannot touch mainline.

Given the amount of express flying at US, that is hardly encouraging, though. A lawn dart can fall out of the sky as easily as anything else.

I have already made it a personal policy - if an RJ is full and there is weather, I skip the flight. I already know what happens to W&B.

Back to the point. I expect to see express/mainline bleedthru at the agent level first. And I suspect US is one 'financial emergency' away from slipping that in at the mech level.

IMO, that has been the big picture ever since Wolf walked thru the door.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Well lowered the bar, from what? Mesa??? or??? I believe express was looking at their own liquidation, and in fact had seen ALPA give up on scope, and watch those jets run off to Mesa/TSA/CHQ. All this while in the back Mgt. and such was whispering how the 328's were leaving and what could they do, etc etc. I wouldn't go as far as looking at PSA as bringing the bar down, hardly. The bar had already been set. Mgt. had so many whipsaws available to them, who knew what was going where. In fact what should a WO do, after watching Grandpa allow the outsourcing of those jets, to ANYONE. Where'd the first jets go?

Exactly true

 

[john john]

Mgt. had so many whipsaws available to them, who knew what was going where.

This is my point, a race to the bottom with shine new jets

 

[Stuka Luva]

This is my point, a race to the bottom with shine new jets

So who's fault is it?

 

[700UW]

Why dont you ask the why the ALPA Regional Pilots are suing mainline ALPA?

 

[Stuka Luva]

Why dont you ask the why the ALPA Regional Pilots are suing mainline ALPA?

http://www.ainonline.com/publications/RAA/...scontentp3.html

I realize is was a whole page ago, but here is the article again...and just in case you don't want to click:

This is the RJDCs position:

"The RJ Defense Coalition–the Crescent Springs, Ky.-based regional jet advocacy group led by Comair pilot Dan Ford–shows no sign of relenting on its crusade against ALPA’s attempts to, in Ford’s words, create “synthetic bargaining capitalâ€￾ to use against both airline management and elements within the union itself.

Now representing pilots from both Comair and Atlantic Southeast Airlines, the coalition sits at the center of a pair of class-action lawsuits filed on behalf of each group by noted New York labor attorney Michael Haber. Under persistent fire from Haber and Ford, the use of scope clauses as a means to restrict small jets at regional airlines faces its sternest test to date, as the sides battle over the plaintiffs’ rights to thousands of confidential documents as part of the discovery process."



I'm not involved.

 

[Crzipilot]

Pretty simple.....Whichever organization or group which did not fight to the mat for brand scope, or keeping those shiney new jets and such under 1 seniority list. The first camel nose under the tent ended it....

 

[diogenes]

No point in pointing fingers.

The only question was, did the unions, in concert, have the stones to call Siegel/ Bronner/Lakefield's hand, to see if they were bluffing or not?

No point to rehash, every union (with the exception of AFA) wanted to throw somebody else under the bus (and in the case of the IAM, the mechs wanted to throw fleet, big fleet cities threw little fleet cities - it got so I needed a scorecard).

It didn't take a genius to take advatange of the disarray: a chimp would have done.

A Brownie troop could have put up a better fight than US unions.

From where I stand, now lie in it.

 

[Crzipilot]

Wasn't pointing fingers, except for those that came before us by MANY years.......what happened here from BK1 BK2 was hardly the start of it.....more like a culmination...

 

[jimcfs]

Here's video proof... taken this morning in CLT... the right side of the C concourse, exactly as the OP stated.

It's really weird seeing the makeup of aircraft in CLT.

 

[diogenes]

Nice photo, Jim - that's exactly what I saw.

Rode one of them home this weekend.

According to the gate agent, mainline agents work those flights.

For the agents' sake, I hope that holds up.