RUMOR CONTROL

[USstew23]

I have to admit, I come from the old school system of going on seniority but I've been doing some traveling on the AWA metal and kind of like the FCFS, being able to check-in 12 hours before and knowing where you are on the list is kind of nice. While I respect and appreciate our Senior employees I also agree that EVERYTHING cannot be on seniority especially since we need to start finding some common ground.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

FCFS is not bad. I actually prefer it 'cause I travel with friends who are new. If we go by seniority, it would suck 'cause my junior friends will get on last.
Plus the company has to get competitive in order to get the best employees. Monster.com, Intel etc. and other companies are located here. If we go by seniority, people wouldn't want to work for us. Maybe the flight attendant jumpseats can go by seniority!

 

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

FCFS is not a bad thing. Until you realize that if you're trying to get to Hawaii from PHX and there are employees coming to PHX from PIT or PHL to connect to the same Hawaii flight, and if they're on HP metal they get to check in 12 hours before their 1st flight and they are automatically checked in for their connecting flight at THAT time, too. They would have a 6-8 hour (maybe more) advantage in check-in time. And once both HP and US can be booked in one res -- well then any connecting flight to those hubs, as well as CLT, that really early check-in time would count. With the time difference, especially, it's a huge advantage. Of course, when going from west to east those making connections from the west would have an advantage when trying to get to prime destinations such as Europe and the Carribbean -- but because of the time-difference, but it's not as big of an advantage.

So, having experienced both, and as much as I like FCFS, I think I would prefer seniority -- with a couple of "courtesy" rules, such as having to list at least 24 hours in advance (or go to the bottom of the list within your boarding priority) and checking in at least 1 hour in advance (or go to the bottom of the list within your boarding priority). And I don't have a lot of seniority, at all. It's just that sometimes it's not possible to be sitting in front of a computer at 12 hours exactly before a flight and if you're using a computer at a hotel and they're not using internet explorer, well then, you're SOL. With seniority, you know exactly where you stand and if the above 2 courteousies are employed, you can rest easy as no one "more senior" can bump you at the last minute or while you are in the air on your way to a connecting flight. Without these civilized restraints, then no-way would I want seniority to rule as that leaves too much wide-open for people to take advantage of those with less seniority.

Also, if my seniority doens't count for anything (if I'm not covered by any CBA) why in the world would I want to stay at this airline -- especially, as NewLowFare points out, there are a billion other jobs out there and they probably pay MORE?

But, knowing this airline, whatever is cheapest to administer is the way it will go. B)

 

[Dog Wonder]

ETC is down again

 

[flyingcat]

Why would a supervisor or supervisors in Florida know that things will become first come first serve. :huh:

Sorry but headquarters is a long way away from them and they are only Dougie in their heads not reality.

Someone is having delusions of grandeur. 🙄

Its a big network and Florida is not the center of the universe. Trust me I lived there once. 😛

 

[chevyman]

Umm, do the East people know they are going to retire soon? Have you taken a poll?

Once a decision is made, everyone will have to get over it. The decision can ruin morale only if you are willing to let it ruin your morale.

We have to face it, that no matter which way it goes, some won't like it, but I hope that they grow up and get over it and not make the rest of us have to listen to their whining!

If you are not cut deep enough a scar doesn't appear. But if it is deep enough a scar will form as a constant reminder every day of the pain you once endured and maybe the lessons you learned from that cut.

 

[drrstrav]

Rumor? or Fact?

Supervisors in Florida say the Non-Revenue issue has already been decided. Shortly, it will been loaded into the computer system.

............FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED.

It's already been decided. Dougie wants HP procedure.

Anyone at US feeling like a step-child yet?

If it is true : one more things to WHINE about the rest of the month. Afterword something else will be. There will always be people who look for issues to complain about, instead of being happy that they are not out of the job. 2 years ago this time, US employees were talking about saving their job at any cost; now they have it... the demand and entitlement never ends....

 

[john john]

They would have a 6-8 hour (maybe more) advantage in check-in time. it's a huge advantage. going from west to east those making connections from the west would have an advantage when trying to get to prime destinations such as Europe and the Carribbean --

This is a big problem with FCFS

 

[etops1]

i just e-mailed elise eberwien(our vp of communications) on this and this is what she has to say. kinda funny.

Q:elise,
there is talk that the boarding priority has been decided to fcfs. any truth to this?


A:nope,NO DECISION


Sorry, did that for effect.

Seriously, no decision has been made. nada, no go, not today, zilcho, zippo, big goose egg. ( ;
-----Original Message-----
From: ETOPS1@aol.com [mailto:ETOPS1@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:20 AM
To: elise.eberwein@usairways.com
Subject: boarding priority

 

[john john]

what people don't realize is most of the PALL list is FCFS anyway.. I believe that S3 and S4 are the only categories sorted by seniority.

S1, S3, S4, S5 S6 go by seniority on US Airways EAST
The only times you do not use seniority are OA employees and companions with out employees

 

[hp-csr-phx]

This is from the CWA contract:

Article 8 – Seniority
A. Date of Hire Seniority is defined as continuous US Airways, Inc.
in any department.
1. Date of Hire Seniority is applied to:
a. Vacation accrual
b. boarding for on-line non-revenue space available travel

It looks like DOH is in the contract. Can the company change this at will? Or will it have to be negotiated?

 

[Travelpro72]

Here is some food for thought. Many that are more senior commute from the west coast to the east coast. Not thousands like the west MEC let many to believe or didn't correct the rumor. If these more senior folks find it harder to commute to work they will only be forced to bid into PHX when it becomes available whether it be 6 months or 6 years. Other bigger airlines use FCFC true but they do not have the large amount of commuters in relation to their size as US east does. Though a decision has not been made yet, be careful what you wish for.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I hope its first come first served.

Its actually FAIR!

 

[FlyUs]

Here is some food for thought. Many that are more senior commute from the west coast to the east coast. Not thousands like the west MEC let many to believe or didn't correct the rumor. If these more senior folks find it harder to commute to work they will only be forced to bid into PHX when it becomes available whether it be 6 months or 6 years. Other bigger airlines use FCFC true but they do not have the large amount of commuters in relation to their size as US east does. Though a decision has not been made yet, be careful what you wish for.

do you really think Doug cares about commuters? a lot more than those senior folks out west will be transferring to PHX if/when he starts closing east crew bases. :down:

 

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

Here is some food for thought. Many that are more senior commute from the west coast to the east coast. Not thousands like the west MEC let many to believe or didn't correct the rumor. If these more senior folks find it harder to commute to work they will only be forced to bid into PHX when it becomes available whether it be 6 months or 6 years. Other bigger airlines use FCFC true but they do not have the large amount of commuters in relation to their size as US east does. Though a decision has not been made yet, be careful what you wish for.

FCFS or Seniority -- whatever the decision -- should not be based on whether US has commuters and how many -- it should be based on what is best the for ALL the employees.