Rumor has it that the Flu hit Dallas hard this X'mas

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I have worked MANY a holiday at AA over the past 30 years! AWAY FROM MY FAMILY!
I never minded working MANY a holiday over the past 30 years because it was worth it to work! But what was gained over the last 4 decades was taken away under AA' bankruptcy gun pointed at our heads! These greedy bastards are getting hundreds of millions of dollars in bonus pay BECAUSE OF EMPLOYEE SACRIFICE! WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, MJK??????????

Mechanics are due to get a $.43 an hour raise in April while management is getting thousands all the way up to millions!
What did you lose, MJK?

These greedy AArogant bastards shared in NO sacrifice!

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Hopeful,

Save your breath.

It's Abundantly CLEAR, that these management "shills" have "got it BAD" !!....In fact, they're HOPELESSLY INFECTED !!

Obviously I'm speaking about the "condition" refered to the "Stockholm Syndrome" !!!

I DON'T feel sorry for ANY employee(in ANY AA capacity), who, knowing that they are BEING PLACED in a "situation", (REGARDLESS of the ORIGIN of the "situation"), of being shorthanded, and THEN starts "running around like a chicken with it's head cut off" !!
If "that person" CANNOT understand what's going on, OR REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE whats going on, then I say...SCREW HIM/HER !!!!!!!!!!

The REAL SAD part is, that management KNOWS FULL WELL WHAT'S GOING ON, and sits back and LAUGHS themself silly, over the fact, that they have been successful(again) at "DIVIDE and CONQUER"


NH/BB's

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Ok so everyone is claiming a "message was sent"

The bigger question:

WAS A MESSAGE HEARD?

Saw Tombstone tonight

Now I get it
Doc Holiday 😉

 

[eolesen]

Blue flu is the worst form of union terrorism that exists.
At least with a strike, customers have advance notice to fly someone else. If you want to punish management, find a way to leave the customer out of it instead of using them as human shields.

I DON'T feel sorry for ANY employee(in ANY AA capacity), who, knowing that they are BEING PLACED in a "situation", (REGARDLESS of the ORIGIN of the "situation"), of being shorthanded, and THEN starts "running around like a chicken with it's head cut off" !!

You're right. You should instead be more self-centered and ultimately punish the customer because your co-worker stayed home, and you showed up (as you should) like a lemming.

I don't get it. You'd think that part of unionism would be a commitment to your fellow co-workers not to look out only for yourself.

Unions are supposed to protect employees from being abused by the company, yet they stay silent regarding the self-centered mentality which allows (and perhaps tacitly encourages) employees to abuse their co-workers.

Many of you say scabs have no moral character because they only look out for themselves. So how is calling in sick on the holiday any different than being a scab? They're both selfish actions which impact co-workers.

I know it's pointless even asking that question, because there's always someone who will justify this act of selfishness and lack of moral character over the scab's selfishness and lack of moral character.


Personally, I see this as being no different -- in some ways it's worse, becayse by calling in sick at the last minute, someone else's plans get screwed up because of a reassignment, being forced into mandatory OT, or otherwise having to work a lot harder than normal because there wasn't enough time to call in someone else to cover the hole in coverage.

 

[mjk]

I have worked MANY a holiday at AA over the past 30 years! AWAY FROM MY FAMILY!
I never minded working MANY a holiday over the past 30 years because it was worth it to work! But what was gained over the last 4 decades was taken away under AA' bankruptcy gun pointed at our heads! These greedy bastards are getting hundreds of millions of dollars in bonus pay BECAUSE OF EMPLOYEE SACRIFICE! WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, MJK??????????

Mechanics are due to get a $.43 an hour raise in April while management is getting thousands all the way up to millions!
What did you lose, MJK?

These greedy AArogant bastards shared in NO sacrifice!

I'm sure you have, Hopeful. Perhaps I should have asked the question another way.

How would you react if you, thru the direct action of one of your co-workers, had to spend another 24-48 hours (over xmas) away from your family?

That's what hundreds of flight attendants had to do once again this xmas. And before you or anyone else tries to blame insufficient manning, how is it that we never seem to cancel for crew over Thanksgiving, or anytime during the first twenty days of December? If there's sufficient manning then, there should be during xmas.

I'll let others speculate as to the cause, but to put the screws to your fellow co-workers is just wrong.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Blue flu is the worst form of union terrorism that exists.

So now it's terrorism....Wow, how far we've come.

So I take it that union members who call in sick are terrorists, afterall it takes a terrorist in order to have terrorism. Better notify the FBI of all the terrorists working out there. Maybe we should send them all to Gitmo? :down:

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Blue flu is the worst form of union terrorism that exists.
At least with a strike, customers have advance notice to fly someone else. If you want to punish management, find a way to leave the customer out of it instead of using them as human shields.
You're right. You should instead be more self-centered and ultimately punish the customer because your co-worker stayed home, and you showed up (as you should) like a lemming.

I don't get it. You'd think that part of unionism would be a commitment to your fellow co-workers not to look out only for yourself.

Unions are supposed to protect employees from being abused by the company, yet they stay silent regarding the self-centered mentality which allows (and perhaps tacitly encourages) employees to abuse their co-workers.

Many of you say scabs have no moral character because they only look out for themselves. So how is calling in sick on the holiday any different than being a scab? They're both selfish actions which impact co-workers.

I know it's pointless even asking that question, because there's always someone who will justify this act of selfishness and lack of moral character over the scab's selfishness and lack of moral character.
Personally, I see this as being no different -- in some ways it's worse, becayse by calling in sick at the last minute, someone else's plans get screwed up because of a reassignment, being forced into mandatory OT, or otherwise having to work a lot harder than normal because there wasn't enough time to call in someone else to cover the hole in coverage.

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"Or otherwise "HAVING" to work "HARDER" than normal."

SAY's WHO ??????

If as was mentioned back at the start of this thread, I'm a F/A who winds up being the ONLY F/A in coach...WITH 125 passengers, I'm not going to "increase my speed" !!!!!!
I'm going to go at the same speed, that I would go ANY OTHER DAY, which is to say, that I would DO my job, "BY THE BOOK", because I was hired to provide PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, WHICH I would'nt be able to do while "running around like a chicken with it's head cut off"( BECAUSE I WAS PUT INTO A SEVERE "SHORTHANDED" situation)

What makes me laugh FM, is that you and your management kind...REALLY believe that people should buy into the company "RAH-RAH BULL ####"

NH/BB's

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I love my job and my employer so much that I am already working at full capacity. There is no way I could do any more, no matter how many sick calls there are.

So, they don't hurt me.

 

[eolesen]

What makes me laugh FM, is that you and your management kind...REALLY believe that people should buy into the company "RAH-RAH BULL ####"

No, Bears. It's not bull shite. It's called a work ethic, and I'm sorry if you weren't raised to have one.

It's pretty simple -- show up when you're scheduled to be there, treat the customer right, even if you never come into contact with them, and don't expect your co-workers carry your weight.

If those expectations are too much, move to France or find a job where nobody else has to depend on you.

If you wouldn't be willing to compromise safety to prove a point with management, why is it OK to compromise customer service?

It's pretty sad to hear bubbas like you extolling how Crandall was better than so-and-so in one forum, and how AA is better than US/UA/DL because your employer didn't declare bankruptcy, and then come over here and spew crap about how you shouldn't serve customers as they deserve to be treated.

If you think being passionate about providing a quality product is crap, that's your loss, not just AMR's. If you don't feel good about what you're doing, then it must really suck to be you.

AMFAMan, terrorism takes many forms. It is defined as the unlawful use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against civilians with the intention of intimidating or coercing for ideological or political reasons.

Using customers as a bargaining chip is about as coercive as it can get in a service industry.

 

[AAStew]

Garfield, if you would of read my reply, I said alot and not all. Good Grief get a life!
The company knows full well ahead of time that the sicklist will go up, and we are not the only airline with this problem. But as always they have been working on their divide and conquer company culture all year, so it is only multiplied.
I still like my passengers, but I hate our company culture. I hate the way things are run. It's reactive as opposed to proactive. Do I call in sick at Christmas? No, I make sure I don't have to. But instead of developing a feeling of goodwill towards the company from flight attendants, they work on the opposite all year long. While management is getting bonuses, flight attendants are getting some stupid piece of paper to put in a drawing for advantage points! And oh yes, let's not forget that new little signoff from Fort Worth, Thanks for all you do, now let me kick you in the ass again!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Attention...Former ModerAAtor.

"Using customers as a bargaining chip, is about as coercive as you can get, in a service industry"


THANX FM, you've made my point...I REST MY CASE !!

BECAUSE(as mentioned in a earlier post) a "LONE" F/A was "thrust" into a position of serving "125" Y passengers, on a 767 transcon.

Using YOUR theory, the F/A (was in fact) COERCED(SP?) into serving ALL 125 passengers, REGARDLESS of the fact that he/she was BRUTALLY undermanned !!

(I believe that of the 5 total F/a's o/b this transcon, 1 was in F/C.........And "3" were in business class.

Jesus,

The words hypocritical...and "Double Standard" keep sticking in my head. I wonder why ??

NH/BB's

ps,

I enjoy being ME/(retired), however, It's 07;44 am (12/27), and I just logged on for a quick moment, while returning from a "nature call". I must sign off now, because it's time to "re-hit the hay", until 11:00+ .

Lunch is about 12:30, then off for a nice long walk........."In SHORTS + Tee Shirt" 🙄 🙄

 

[Hopeful]

I'm sure you have, Hopeful. Perhaps I should have asked the question another way.

How would you react if you, thru the direct action of one of your co-workers, had to spend another 24-48 hours (over xmas) away from your family?

That's what hundreds of flight attendants had to do once again this xmas. And before you or anyone else tries to blame insufficient manning, how is it that we never seem to cancel for crew over Thanksgiving, or anytime during the first twenty days of December? If there's sufficient manning then, there should be during xmas.

I'll let others speculate as to the cause, but to put the screws to your fellow co-workers is just wrong.

MJK:

Putting the screws to your WORKERS is just wrong!

Do you and others reAAlly believe AA will give us anything back?

They are greedy bastards who are happy to accept there hundreds of millions in bonus money!

If you think this doesn't affect morale, you are dreaming!

Hopefully, the stock goes into the toiled, so they can lose millions in stock!

But they still won't be hurting, they are still making a few hundred thousand a year!

 

[Garfield1966]

Garfield, if you would of read my reply, I said alot and not all. Good Grief get a life!
The company knows full well ahead of time that the sicklist will go up, and we are not the only airline with this problem. But as always they have been working on their divide and conquer company culture all year, so it is only multiplied.
I still like my passengers, but I hate our company culture. I hate the way things are run. It's reactive as opposed to proactive. Do I call in sick at Christmas? No, I make sure I don't have to. But instead of developing a feeling of goodwill towards the company from flight attendants, they work on the opposite all year long. While management is getting bonuses, flight attendants are getting some stupid piece of paper to put in a drawing for advantage points! And oh yes, let's not forget that new little signoff from Fort Worth, Thanks for all you do, now let me kick you in the ass again!

Let's try this again.

The sick list through out the year averages around 900 +/-. I do not remember the numbers I heard but typically, a large number of those on the sick list in any company are not actually sick. If I recall correctly it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%-30%. Currently the sick list is sitting at over 1800 (that does not include the PO's and PE's which will probably add another 300 or so to the list). So, even if all 900 of the people on the average sick list are sick, statistically, the rest are not sick. We are looking at a 100% jump in sick over a 20 day period that occurs each and every year. This has been occurring well before 9/11 so that is not the issue. This has occurred when profit sharing was given out, so incentive is not the issue. This has been happening before any pay cuts occurred and after pay raises were given so pay is not an issue either. This is simply a reflection of a piss poor work ethic among a relatively small percentage of our work force. They feel that for what ever reason, they are entitled to have the holiday off even thought when they were hired for their position, they were asked if they were willing to work nights, holidays and weekends. Perhaps they were not aware that the airline actually has planes in the air 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year. They should have done more research. Unfortunately, those special few who chose to abuse the system end up making the rest of us work harder. It's not so bad for us as we are here 8 hours and we get to leave. Some are not as fortunate, as Jim and MJK pointed out, others will have their turnaround transformed into a 3 or 4 day trip. The bag folks who show up will have to deal with fewer people on the ramp and the cycle continues.

Yes managers suck, what else is new. Welcome to america. Hopeful and all the rest can try and screw over the guys at the top all they want. Trying is all they will do. Carty is running Dell, Tilton is at UA and if that fails he will move on to some other company. Arpey and the rest will not be affected financially by anything Hopeful does. Hopeful will affect my job, your job and all the rest of us working stiffs. It is the nature of the beast. Some believe that if they tilt at windmills eventually they will win, I have long since given up on that pipe dream. Those who have the money make the rules, I just try and make some money and keep my head down.

As for the sick list, if you were able to bid or trade off, great for you. When you hear someone chewing out Crew Skd for reassigning them during the holidays, just look around, there is a god chance you will see someone who cal off sick and caused us to reassign them. Arpey was not affected in the least.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

FM,

"I don't get it. You'd think that part of unionism would be a commitment to your fellow co-workers not to look out only for yourself."

Actually, I think that part of unionism would be a committment of my union to protect the members. My union gave me, and my fellow AMTs, the gift of half pay for the first two consecutive sick days taken. On each two or mor day occurrence.

Gee, if a person gets sick and takes off two days doesn't it make economical sense for the individual to take the entire week off, or more, to make sure they are completely better before returning to work?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Garfield,

So in a sense, you've described a "domino effect", and SERIOUSLY, I understand when you say that you realize that management does(indeed) $UCK !!!!!!

Where I disagree with you, is when your ANGER is MORE directed at the F/A who "retaliates"(SP?) against a nasty management team.

If in the course of doing your job,you reassigned me to an additional 2 more days(because of a holiday sick call, WHICH I would'nt hold against anyone who called in sick, BECAUSE I WOULD BE EXPECTING IT), and the re-assignment was(say) DFW-ABQ-"DFW".....etc, etc, etc, I would simply GO HOME sick, once I completed the second leg back to base in DFW !!....AND "on and on" the "domino's' would fall.

NOTHING personal.....nothing personal AT ALL.
Just the "cost" of doing business between a Company(and THEIR UNION)....and the members of that particuliar work group.

It's NOT rocket science !!

NH/BB's

 

[Garfield1966]

Garfield,

So in a sense, you've described a "domino effect", and SERIOUSLY, I understand when you say that you realize that management does(indeed) $UCK !!!!!!

Where I disagree with you, is when your ANGER is MORE directed at the F/A who "retaliates"(SP?) against a nasty management team.

If in the course of doing your job,you reassigned me to an additional 2 more days(because of a holiday sick call, WHICH I would'nt hold against anyone who called in sick, BECAUSE I WOULD BE EXPECTING IT), and the re-assignment was(say) DFW-ABQ-"DFW".....etc, etc, etc, I would simply GO HOME sick, once I completed the second leg back to base in DFW !!....AND "on and on" the "domino's' would fall.

NOTHING personal.....nothing personal AT ALL.
Just the "cost" of doing business between a Company(and THEIR UNION)....and the members of that particuliar work group.

It's NOT rocket science !!

NH/BB's

I suggest you read the post again. The sick calls have nothing to do with pay, nothing to do with management, noting to do with 9/11, nothing to do with 'pay back'. The sick calls were happening in good times as well as now. All it has to do with is people wanting to be off. You are trying to give the cause nobility where none exists.

BTW, when I reassign someone, I know enough not to reassign you anywhere near your base.