luvthe9
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Say goobye to your pension
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WNrforlife
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Can you say "Buh-Bye"?
ROFLMAO!!!!
What's funny about that, WNgetalife?
How did you ever make it into WN if you appear to be such a hateful and ignorant individual? I'm sure they love you. 🙄
Hawkhunter
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Can you say "Buh-Bye"?
ROFLMAO!!!!
How can you think this is funny? I do not work for Delta however, I think this is going to cause hardship on many people. I dont find pleasure in that at all. You are a strange person. I thought WN hired better people than that. You must of slipped through the cracks.
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someone tell WNforlife that his 12 year old has logged on again.
me thinks swa has little luv for DAL pilots.
"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them. They're a bunch of spoiled brats. Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money, and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."
--Jeffrey Hefner, Safety Chairman for the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, talking to a New York Times reporter regarding airline pilots having to work longer for less.
"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them. They're a bunch of spoiled brats. Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money, and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."
--Jeffrey Hefner, Safety Chairman for the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, talking to a New York Times reporter regarding airline pilots having to work longer for less.
Not to douse the fire, but here is the response from SWAPA about this reporter story:
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
Pilots' Association
March 7, 2006
Captain Duane E. Woerth, President, ALPA
535 Herndon Parkway Herndon, VA 20170
Dear Duane,
On Monday, March 6 an article authored by Matthew Wald, New York Times writer, quoted a Southwest Airlines' pilot in an article entitled "Nothing but Gray Skies " After speaking to the reporter personally on at least two occasions today and speaking to the pilot who was "quoted" in the article I'm confident the reporter for some unknown reason included inaccurate and unsubstantiated comments attributed to a Southwest Airlines' pilot.
1. When asked several times today, the reporter could not recall specifically the time and place he allegedly interviewed the Southwest Airlines' pilot.. He was asked in very specific terms and was given several opportunities to confirm the precise comments he created to the pilot. He could not confirm they occurred as printed.
2. The reporter did call SWAPA for a comment in late .January in regards to another topic. He spoke to a SWAPA staff member who has a record of the call,. No information was passed to the reporter other than an acknowledgment of his request for information that would be passed to the appropriate individuals.
3 The reporter stated he was given the pilot's name by a SWAPA staff member, however the SWAPA staff' member confirmed this did not occur. It is the policy of SWAPA to never release the name of members to outside agencies; this includes the press.
4 The Captain involved was never interviewed by this reporter in regards to this story The Captain categorically denies the statements attributed to him.
The press can be your friend; however in this case Mr. Wald got it wrong. The alleged quotes reported by Mr. Wald in no way reflect the views or opinions of the Southwest Airlines' pilots SWAPA appreciates what all pilots have sacrificed to save their airlines and works cooperatively on many levels with ALPA, APA and all professional pilot organizations. SWAPA is contacting the paper to request a retraction and is pursuing other avenues to correct the inaccurate reporting which occurred
Best regards,
Joseph "Ike" Eichelkraut President, SWAPA
Brookview Plaza 0 1450 Empire Central Dr Suite 737 0 Dallas TX 75247
Phone: 214..350-9237 • Tollfree: 800-969-7972 . Fax: 214-350-0647 s www swapa org
And from Jeff himself on another site:
I am the much maligned and detested Jeff Hefner that is the topic of this thread. Let me say first and categorically that this "interview" never took place and the "quotes" attributed to me are not factual and are fabricated. I have never spoken with this individual nor any other reporter about this topic and the quotes are not my views. Now how this happened is anybody's guess but I think from the conversations that the SWAPA President has had with this reporter might shed some light on it.
I am the current SWAPA Air Safety Committee Chair and the Go-Team Chief Investigator. The events of 8 Dec. 2005 at MDW have unfortunately somewhat heightened my visibility in the national aviation community. In January I authored and released a SWAPA Air Safety Alert which dealt with winter operations and some programming issues that involved our on-board performance computer. This Alert was distributed to our pilot group and a copy of it found its way into the hands of this reporter. Our staff here at SWAPA has a record of this guy attempting to contact me after the alert was released but he was not put through. I don't do interviews nor am I the public face of our union. When confronted with my denial yesterday by our union president the reporter began some creative story changing and now has no recollection of when he actually might have spoken to me. Fact is he never has, and never will.
For those of you that gave us the benefit of the doubt until the facts could be determined, thanks! For those of you that did not, well, think about your initial reaction. Try not to use the jumpseat as a weapon, we are all much better than that
Jeff Hefner
SWAPA Air Safety
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
Pilots' Association
March 7, 2006
Captain Duane E. Woerth, President, ALPA
535 Herndon Parkway Herndon, VA 20170
Dear Duane,
On Monday, March 6 an article authored by Matthew Wald, New York Times writer, quoted a Southwest Airlines' pilot in an article entitled "Nothing but Gray Skies " After speaking to the reporter personally on at least two occasions today and speaking to the pilot who was "quoted" in the article I'm confident the reporter for some unknown reason included inaccurate and unsubstantiated comments attributed to a Southwest Airlines' pilot.
1. When asked several times today, the reporter could not recall specifically the time and place he allegedly interviewed the Southwest Airlines' pilot.. He was asked in very specific terms and was given several opportunities to confirm the precise comments he created to the pilot. He could not confirm they occurred as printed.
2. The reporter did call SWAPA for a comment in late .January in regards to another topic. He spoke to a SWAPA staff member who has a record of the call,. No information was passed to the reporter other than an acknowledgment of his request for information that would be passed to the appropriate individuals.
3 The reporter stated he was given the pilot's name by a SWAPA staff member, however the SWAPA staff' member confirmed this did not occur. It is the policy of SWAPA to never release the name of members to outside agencies; this includes the press.
4 The Captain involved was never interviewed by this reporter in regards to this story The Captain categorically denies the statements attributed to him.
The press can be your friend; however in this case Mr. Wald got it wrong. The alleged quotes reported by Mr. Wald in no way reflect the views or opinions of the Southwest Airlines' pilots SWAPA appreciates what all pilots have sacrificed to save their airlines and works cooperatively on many levels with ALPA, APA and all professional pilot organizations. SWAPA is contacting the paper to request a retraction and is pursuing other avenues to correct the inaccurate reporting which occurred
Best regards,
Joseph "Ike" Eichelkraut President, SWAPA
Brookview Plaza 0 1450 Empire Central Dr Suite 737 0 Dallas TX 75247
Phone: 214..350-9237 • Tollfree: 800-969-7972 . Fax: 214-350-0647 s www swapa org
And from Jeff himself on another site:
I am the much maligned and detested Jeff Hefner that is the topic of this thread. Let me say first and categorically that this "interview" never took place and the "quotes" attributed to me are not factual and are fabricated. I have never spoken with this individual nor any other reporter about this topic and the quotes are not my views. Now how this happened is anybody's guess but I think from the conversations that the SWAPA President has had with this reporter might shed some light on it.
I am the current SWAPA Air Safety Committee Chair and the Go-Team Chief Investigator. The events of 8 Dec. 2005 at MDW have unfortunately somewhat heightened my visibility in the national aviation community. In January I authored and released a SWAPA Air Safety Alert which dealt with winter operations and some programming issues that involved our on-board performance computer. This Alert was distributed to our pilot group and a copy of it found its way into the hands of this reporter. Our staff here at SWAPA has a record of this guy attempting to contact me after the alert was released but he was not put through. I don't do interviews nor am I the public face of our union. When confronted with my denial yesterday by our union president the reporter began some creative story changing and now has no recollection of when he actually might have spoken to me. Fact is he never has, and never will.
For those of you that gave us the benefit of the doubt until the facts could be determined, thanks! For those of you that did not, well, think about your initial reaction. Try not to use the jumpseat as a weapon, we are all much better than that
Jeff Hefner
SWAPA Air Safety
Well, you make your own conclusion, as we all know, the press in general and the NYT in particular never makes up stories or distorts the truth!
SWAPA is going after the reporter!
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UAL_TECH
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Can you say "Buh-Bye"?
ROFLMAO!!!!
Is it really humorous for you to see the retirement benefits of past, present and future airline employees being dumped in the toilet?
If so, you are one sick MFkr :down:
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Sounds as if 'WN4life' has a little problem with Delta pilots. I would venture he/she got rejected years ago or maybe just pleased to see the pension bar being adjusted to the SWA level.
We all hope that DALPA stand firm on the issues. Good luck with current talks.
We all hope that DALPA stand firm on the issues. Good luck with current talks.
We all hope that DALPA is rational and reminds themselves of the tailspin our industry is in when thinking about what is practical to ask for.
WorldTraveler
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House leader Boehner has gone on record as supporting airline specific pension relief meaning that there is a good chance that House and Senate pension bills can be reconciled. Given Bush's lack of support from so many corners, there is probably a good chance his veto could be overriden if he does veto the bill.
Perhaps the DL non-pilot and the NW pensions can be saved. AA and CO should also receive the breathing room they need to continue to support their pensions.
Perhaps the DL non-pilot and the NW pensions can be saved. AA and CO should also receive the breathing room they need to continue to support their pensions.
LGA Fleet Service
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DALPA already gave 32%, thats pretty damn practical.
19% on top of that is a tough sell.
