Scab of the Week

[local 12 proud]

I have met and worked with the current Scab of the Week. He's a damn good man.

Now thats an Oxymoron if I've ever heard one. scab and good used in the same sentence to describe someone!

 

[robbedagain]

may be the super scab and his buddy are one in the same! 😀 🙄

 

[local 12 proud]

may be the super scab and his buddy are one in the same! 😀 🙄

Yea robbed, you may be on to something there.

Could it be that the current SCAB Of The Week is KeepTheOdds... say it is'nt so! B)

 

[jenny@nw]

Yea robbed, you may be on to something there.

Could it be that the current SCAB Of The Week is KeepTheOdds... say it is'nt so! B)

Super Scab PTO, and his side kick Scab of the week. 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

 

[robbedagain]

Super Scab PTO, and his side kick Scab of the week. 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

his side kick would most likely be himself!!!

Just think about this: scab pto talks, no one listens, pto whines, but cant get the cheese to go with it; so he has to come on this board and get his two cents in, only to get kicked in the rear! Local, me thinks that one scab named pto is the same with the mgmt! and his side kick! 🙄

 

[big jimmy]

Damn good man, by your scab standards? He's in management, polish his boots did ya? Good boy little scab. 😉

Give it a rest? You wish. 🙄

i am sure he polished something but it wasnt his boots!

 

[local 12 proud]

Super Scab PTO, and his side kick Scab of the week. 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

Oh look...its PlayTheOdds & KeepTheOdds incognito

Thanks jenny, that was cute. im sure our resident SCAB will agree..

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Now thats an Oxymoron if I've ever heard one. scab and good used in the same sentence to describe someone!

Since we are using the "Broad brush of stereotyping" I would like to add the oxymoron of (A) hardworking and (B) union man.
Now, I would think it no more or less accurate than the stereotype you displayed, as you and I both would probably agree not all union guys are lazy mob thugs, just as not all us replacements are illiterate pencil whipping people of questionable charecter and honor. Not to kick a dead horse, but I would like to throw the "20 percent" flag here.

 

[local 12 proud]

Since we are using the "Broad brush of stereotyping" I would like to add the oxymoron of (A) hardworking and (B) union man.
Now, I would think it no more or less accurate than the stereotype you displayed, as you and I both would probably agree not all union guys are lazy mob thugs, just as not all us replacements are illiterate pencil whipping people of questionable charecter and honor. Not to kick a dead horse, but I would like to throw the "20 percent" flag here.

Sorry chap, If you crossed the picket line its irrelevant to me how good of a wrench you are. Bottom line you are helping to destroy the craft.

 

[Don Smith]

...just as not all us replacements are illiterate pencil whipping people of questionable charecter and honor...

I question your CHARACTER AND HONOR. You engage in an activity that destroys our craft and you dishonor your fellow Marines who have not crossed the picket line. How do you reconcile yourself to that Mr. ex-marine? Next time you see them on the picket line why don't you ask which one is a Marine and then spit on him. Since you're doing the same thing anyway.

 

[Garfield1966]

Sorry, I do not see how someone crossing a picket line affects a "craft" . I do see how it can affect your bottom line (money) and your benefits. And I think when it comes down to it, that’s what it is about. I never hear/head anyone complaining about the degradation of the craft because a union keeps employees who are not fit/able to do the work. Employees who abuse company policy. This craft argument seems to only come into play when money and benefits are in question. I do not see anyone here arguing for stricter quality control requirements, safety requirements, training … etc. Most of the thing I have read pertain to wanting your pay and bennies back. That seems to be a question of economics. I know, management is evil and they screwed up … Blah Blah Blah. The employees are getting screwed, companies are out sourcing to thrird world nations with cheap labor. It’s unfair … Blah Blah Blah.

You are not going to get your benies back any time soon. I am not going to get my bennies back any time soon. People are looking for the cheapest ticket. There are to many seats chasing too few butts. IMO, you could have brain surgeons running the airlines and we would probably be in the same mess. A little better off, maybe .. OK probably … but we would still be in a pickle and you guys would still be bitching.

You talk about honor and character just because someone crosses a picket line. I guess that’s why I never would have made it in a union much less the armed services. I am not going to do or not do something just because I am told to. I examine a situation and come to my own conclusion as to what is right or wrong. I would cross a picket line in a heart beat if I disagreed with the purpose of the strike. My ability as a scheduler or what ever my ‘craft’ is has nothing to do with whether or not I support the reasoning behind a strike or not.

If the crew schedulers were in a union and if they decided to go on strike, I and I alone will make the decision if I am willing to put my job on the line or if I am willing to work under the conditions that the company has offered. When we loose the ability to think for our selves and allow our selves to be controlled by out side sources then we have truly lost. If 99.9% of the folks support a strike, more power to them. That is their right and I would never seek to deprive them of the ability to follow their beliefs. Just as I support the right of the replacement workers and those former union members who made the decision to go back to work. It’s their life and their decision. If it hurts your pocket book, so be it.

One more thing. I have seen it mentioned several times that those former union members who crossed the line we mostly incompetent and not fit to be a mechanic. Why were they not terminated? Someone else mentioned that the union has to fight for everyone, they cannot pick and choose. Well, that is crap. Than can pick and choose, they have chosen not to. And this is one of the reasons that unions have a bad reputation. They protect those who most would say should not be protected. The union bylaws and what have you are not governed by federal law. The union has decided that this is they way they will do things. Are you telling me that if the union wanted to change their policy and say that if we discover that you are not fit, slacking off, abusing company policy or what ever that they could not do so? Would you vote for such a change? I know, the company is the one who hires and fires. But do you honestly think a manager would not fire someone if the union came forward and said this person is not cutting it and here is why. And by the same token, if the union were willing to get rid of the dead weight, when it came time to defend someone who was doing a good job, or someone who may have made an accident but is other wise a good employee, maybe the company would look twice. I know as a manager I sure as hell would.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

One more thing. I have seen it mentioned several times that those former union members who crossed the line we mostly incompetent and not fit to be a mechanic. Why were they not terminated? Someone else mentioned that the union has to fight for everyone, they cannot pick and choose. Well, that is crap. Than can pick and choose, they have chosen not to. And this is one of the reasons that unions have a bad reputation. They protect those who most would say should not be protected. The union bylaws and what have you are not governed by federal law. The union has decided that this is they way they will do things. Are you telling me that if the union wanted to change their policy and say that if we discover that you are not fit, slacking off, abusing company policy or what ever that they could not do so? Would you vote for such a change? I know, the company is the one who hires and fires. But do you honestly think a manager would not fire someone if the union came forward and said this person is not cutting it and here is why. And by the same token, if the union were willing to get rid of the dead weight, when it came time to defend someone who was doing a good job, or someone who may have made an accident but is other wise a good employee, maybe the company would look twice. I know as a manager I sure as hell would.

All of your tired union cliches aside, the portion of your post above, is a clear enough indicator that you haven't the first clue as to what you are talking about nor how unions are run.

Someone else mentioned that the union has to fight for everyone, they cannot pick and choose. Well, that is crap.

No, its the L-A-W. You need to educate your self on Duty of Fair Representation also known as DFR

The union bylaws and what have you are not governed by federal law.

Following bylaws is most definately governed by federal law. Also, should any union attempt to craft or ammend bylaws to lessen the unions role as an advocate, again you'd see Department of Labor action and most likely a DFR lawsuit against the organization.

....when it came time to defend someone who was doing a good job, or someone who may have made an accident but is other wise a good employee, maybe the company would look twice.

This statement is the perfect example of why unions are still needed. In your scenario above, if you had a decent/competant management team, you wouldn't need to "look twice" at someone doing a good job, or a good employee who may have had an accident. Its indeed poor management who seek to engage in discipline first as a crutch for a distinct lack of leadership.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Garfield, "You talk about honor and character just because someone crosses a picket line. I guess that’s why I never would have made it in a union much less the armed services. I am not going to do or not do something just because I am told to. I examine a situation and come to my own conclusion as to what is right or wrong. I would cross a picket line in a heart beat if I disagreed with the purpose of the strike. My ability as a scheduler or what ever my ‘craft’ is has nothing to do with whether or not I support the reasoning behind a strike or not."

Yes, CHARACTER & HONOR are talked about but not only when it comes to money and bennies. It is talked about BEFORE a person is hired. A person can have both before a strike but you seem to miss the fact that once a person crosses a strike picket line that person no longer has these traits.

I am glad you did not serve in our armed forces because your statement makes it seem as if you would be the first to turn tail and run when the heat was on.

If you cross a strike picket line to go to work, regardless of your beliefs, you are a SCAB! Period! No rationalizing differently here.

As for you comment about those in a union who do not perform, or as the SCAB czar points out, "the 20%", what is the point? ANYWHERE you go and their is a workforce you will have those who perform the minimum, below minimum and those who go above & beyond. A union is there to protect the members. If an individual is truly a screw up the company can fire them per the agreed upon contract rules.

 

[Hackman]

Sorry, I do not see how someone crossing a picket line affects a "craft" . I do see how it can affect your bottom line (money) and your benefits.

Jeez bootlicker, is it a wonder you don't understand how being scab affects the craft? Its not just monetary and benefits, its safety and the fact you have the (MRO mostly) dregs now maintaining aircraft. You haven't read about the latest bill AMFA has been pushing in Congress to require all foreign MRO's to drug/alcohol test as FAA mandates in the US? Or the AMFA creed; "Safety in the Air begins with Quality Maintenance on the Ground". Obviously you do not know union by-laws are written inaccordance with the Railway Labor Act (RLA), which is Federal Law that governs airlines. There is a law called a DFR, as Thirdseathero stated. Terminating a employee is up to the company, use(AA's Peak Performance thru Commitment-PPC Policy for example) to accomplish this, that's what its for. The RLA works for the company and against the union most of the time, it needs to be updated in the worst way. At negotiations for example, as the airline management loves to drag out talks as for years if possible, coming as close to a strike as they can. The more pissed off the union the better right? Makes great business sense, blame it on the union in the press.

What have you given up as concessions management bootlicker? Sick time? Vacation? Money? Medical? Holidays? I really would like to know, because no one seems to have any idea. Its a good thing you never served our great country in the Armed Forces. I don't think you would have made it out of boot camp, let alone any combat. I'm elated our military heros who fought and died are not like you. We would be speaking German or Japanese if it was up to cowards like yourself. I come a from a military family, have lost family members in war, and I also served myself. It makes me extremely proud, something you will never know. You think you know so much, and I bristle at the management ignorance and arrogance you display kitty kat. Its this type of one exceeding the other the reason mismanaged businesses are ending up in Federal Court, and then the lying greedy management thugs in Federal Prison. Kenny "Who Me?" Lay is a perfect example, blame somebody else for the failures, ruin thousands of lives, grab all the millions you can, and hope your attorney lies his best for the jury. I know of so many worthless POS management at my station I could throw a rock on any given day and hit probably 5 or 6 of them, again...numerous to say the least. Talk about dead weight. They constantly FU, cause problems, and have to be moved from one area to the next. You state abuse of company policy? Yup. Porn, sex on site, drunkards, threats, stealing, lying, a long list to be sure. Some have been terminated, but most have not. Just move them and hide them. Termination? Oh no, that's only for union members. The former perfect attendance program really got me when we had it. Here you have a supervisor/manager missing work constantly, has the "whiskey bottle flu" around once a week, but still has his "perfect attendance" 5,10,15,20 year plaques on the office wall when he wants to council me on my 2-4 sick days a year. WTF? Oh, that's "comp time" management gets for the "shared sacrifice" of showing up for work. Pure Bovine Excrement.

Admit the fact that if you were a union member kitty (thank you god) you would never strike, no matter what the reason. You would scab, and you would be one of the first to belly crawl back to your master for another beating. The fact that the company would as you state "look twice" at a "good employee" is a laugh and a lie. The hatred of union workers in general by management prevents this from occuring. You got one in your sites, and you and your friends in HR will lie and cheat to complete the mission of termination if at all possible. I have witnessed it first hand, and had it happen to me personally. So please, stop trying to convince us you would be objective and look only at the merits of the case. Its just not so, is it?

 

[PlayTheOdds]

...Yes, CHARACTER & HONOR are talked about but not only when it comes to money and bennies. It is talked about BEFORE a person is hired. A person can have both before a strike but you seem to miss the fact that once a person crosses a strike picket line that person no longer has these traits.

How much "Honor" and "Integrity" remains in your unions Ken? You guys bash your own unions as bad as you do the Scabs then you get mad at a person that would Scab against the very unions you despise yourself. You guys are some really misdirected lost souls.