Scope and Q400's

[Elevation]

You quote is union BS, but the whole thing centered around buying slots at Ohare. It was a fight between United and American for 50 slots, in the end United got 38 and AMR got 12 after the sell off. The deal was planned ahead to split off and sell AW and keep the slots but AMR fled a lawsuit on anti compete grounds and got 12 slots out of it. UAL was not interested in running AW so the crap about FA scope affecting anything is laughable.

 

[EMBFA]

Yes, United bought Air Wisconsin in order to obtain more ORD slots, but as far as selling it, they were in direct violation of the union contract unless they merged the lists, which they did not- they sold it. I'm sure there were other factors such as inexperience in regional ops (The UAX program has always been and continues to be a hot mess.) Neither of us were in the boardroom.

I'm sure United didn't think the $8.5 million it paid AFA was laughable.

 

[Elevation]

Yes, United bought Air Wisconsin in order to obtain more ORD slots, but as far as selling it, they were in direct violation of the union contract unless they merged the lists, which they did not- they sold it. I'm sure there were other factors such as inexperience in regional ops (The UAX program has always been and continues to be a hot mess.) Neither of us were in the boardroom.

I'm sure United didn't think the $8.5 million it paid AFA was laughable.

And 9 days later this press release comes out. Yea they won lol.

 

[EMBFA]

They didn't get a raise? Nothing to do with scope clause and ZW... I'm just not seeing where any of my facts are wrong, but oh, well.

We know that:

* In the 2000 UAUS merger, the three wholly owneds were to be sold to ACA, the fourth, Potomac, was to become DC Air.

* UAL AFA have a scope clause requiring all owned aircraft to be staffed with the UA F/A seniority list.

* US Airways AFA doesn't seem to mind what company's flight attendants staff US Airways owned or branded planes, in fact they don't even have thier own scope clause, hence the halving of the seniority list, and resulting stagnation.

* US Airways pilot scope bizarrely allows about a hundred 86 seat jets at a contracted affiliate but not 70 seat turboprops at it's own subsidiaries. The company wants Q400s so scope will have to be renegotiated.

* A flow-thru/flow-back for W/O and mainline pilots seems to be close to reality.

* The W/Os may have to be sold in a merger situation, dependent on the merger partner.

 

[Elevation]

8.9 mil given, 8.9mil taken.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Looks like the Q400 is having some problems: Bombardier grounds planes


"Aircraft maker Bombardier asked that all of its Q-400 turboprop planes with at least 10,000 flights be grounded immediately after a Scandinavian Airlines aircraft skidded off a runway with 52 people aboard today, the second such incident in three days."

"No one was injured when the landing gear failed, forcing an emergency touchdown down in Lithuania. However, the incident follows a Scandinavian Airlines crash-landing Sunday in Denmark because of a similar problem. Five people were slightly injured in that incident."