Seniority

[ATECH]

If you are in the top 5% in seniority in your respective airline doesn't it make sense that you should be in the top 5% in the new company? If you are in the bottom 5% shouldn't you be in the bottom 5% of the new company?

You may have more people above you but you would also have more people below you. This is what I understand Dovetail to be. Everybody retains their current seniority in respect to the workgroup. This sounds fair to me. Nobody loses.

If you use strictly DOH and a person is say, the top 10 percent at US, after the merger with the larger work group that person could then be in the top 5%. In effect gaining seniority within a work group. That doesn't sound fair.

Just my $.02

 

[usjacket]

If you are in the top 5% in seniority in your respective airline doesn't it make sense that you should be in the top 5% in the new company? If you are in the bottom 5% shouldn't you be in the bottom 5% of the new company?

You may have more people above you but you would also have more people below you. This is what I understand Dovetail to be. Everybody retains their current seniority in respect to the workgroup. This sounds fair to me. Nobody loses.

If you use strictly DOH and a person is say, the top 10 percent at US, after the merger with the larger work group that person could then be in the top 5%. In effect gaining seniority within a work group. That doesn't sound fair.

Just my $.02

[post="303398"][/post]​

I respect your opionion my friend but you will NEVER sell that line of reasoning to the USAirways mechanics who have been laid off or bumped around the system due to(DATE of hire) lack of seniority! Just my $.02 <_<

 

[MOC A320]

If you are in the top 5% in seniority in your respective airline doesn't it make sense that you should be in the top 5% in the new company? If you are in the bottom 5% shouldn't you be in the bottom 5% of the new company?

You may have more people above you but you would also have more people below you. This is what I understand Dovetail to be. Everybody retains their current seniority in respect to the workgroup. This sounds fair to me. Nobody loses.

If you use strictly DOH and a person is say, the top 10 percent at US, after the merger with the larger work group that person could then be in the top 5%.  In effect gaining seniority within a work group. That doesn't sound fair.

Just my $.02

[post="303398"][/post]​

I agree that the best way to integrate would be to use the dovetail. It's fair and no one really loses.
One other thing is that if you go with either way a guy from CLT can't bump a guy from SAN out just because they feel like it. They are going to have to wait till a position comes open. I know things change if another round of lay off come but if that happens we're all going to loose.

 

[700UW]

dovetail and date of hire are the samething.

You dovetail using DOH.

 

[flyin2low]

How about integration by relative seniority then?

 

[hp_fa]

How about integration by relative seniority then?

[post="303473"][/post]​

That is what I have been saying for months.

 

[ItsNotThatSerious]

How about strict DATE OF HIRE?

 

[acmech]

Since this would be a new Us Airways, how about giving everyone the same seniority dat of lets say 9/27/05. Keep the original seniority dates for pay and bidding purposes, and also retirement. So if there is another 9/11 God forbid, the 9/27 date would apply as to any possible layoffs. People can have their DOH at the new company. 🙂

 

[RowUnderDCA]

Will, I'd say a ratio of U to HP pilots, slotting in the most senior HP pilot as akin to a date of hire equivalent to the most senior 757 captain. Then slot in until the most junior HP pilot is just below the most junior active U pilot on the 37.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Then slot in until the most junior HP pilot is just below the most junior active U pilot on the 37.

[post="303570"][/post]​

Oh my. I know you're assuming the 737 is the junior equipment but some of the LGA pilots wouldn't like that. It's the junior base and only has the Airbus - the bottom 6 active pilots are there, 8 of the bottom 10, and 16 of the bottom 20 (and 1 of the other 4 is also on the Airbus in another base). And that doesn't count 4 on disability and 1 on military leave of the bottom 20.

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

As for the AFA represented flight attendants at both carriers, how about merging the seniority by DOH like it is written in the C&B's that we all agreed to? What a concept to honor what was agreed to. DOH will be the way....with AFA ! ! ! !

 

[isthisok]

All I want to know is why did those of you that want to change the bylaws did not ask to change the bylaws before the MERGER. You were allright with it before now what is the problem. Remember that AWA is outnumbered by US by a large margin. If any thing comes to a vote I guarantee US will vote for DOH. If AWA was smart they would offer buyouts to get rid of the senior people and there will be no arguement. My opinion is that this is going to be a long ride and mangement has its hands full trying to integrate the two companys.

 

[ATECH]

How about strict DATE OF HIRE?

[post="303491"][/post]​

You are then moving up in seniority with respect to others in your workgroup. Trying to get something for nothing - narrow minded union BS

 

[air747]

All I want to know is why did those of you that want to change the bylaws did not ask to change the bylaws before the MERGER. You were allright with it before now what is the problem. Remember that AWA is outnumbered by US by a large margin. If any thing comes to a vote I guarantee US will vote for DOH. If AWA was smart they would offer buyouts to get rid of the senior people and there will be no arguement. My opinion is that this is going to be a long ride and mangement has its hands full trying to integrate the two companys.

[post="303580"][/post]​

I'm a AWA flt att with 19 years....believe me it's not the senior flt att that are screaming....it's the junior ones....there junior now and will be junior with the new company.......what I hear at work most of the fa's will be ok with DOH...so let's go with it and leave this behind us and make US AIRWAYS be sucessful....