Short F/a's On Carribean Flights
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MiAAmi said:
If they remove the food off of the caribbean flights next month, as more than one caterer has told me they will, than there will be no need for call backs or extras.
I'm just waiting to see how it shakes out. In the meantime I worked 85 hours from the 2nd to the 13th and I had 50 hours of U/S pay. It wasn't worth it at the time, let me tell you.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Skymess said:
Question plz. What is U/S pay ???
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However, as I understand it, MIA and IMA are "overstaffed"; so, even if there were a recall, no one would be going to Miami for either base. (Overstaffed, based on "active" f/as assigned to each base; not on # of "active" f/as actually flying.) :down:
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meechy36 said:
Had AA rather pay understaffing pay and sacrafice customer service than cancel mini leaves and recall?
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By looking at the topic title, I thought this thread was about vertically challenged FAs being placed on the Caribbean flights...Oh well.
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Royal Ambassador said:
Well, you do the math. If understaffing pay is $10/hr, and the average international f/a is at top of scale (assume approx. $45/hr), then if a 737 goes out with 3 f/as instead of 4, the company saves $120, or 33% on direct labor alone. Not to mention cost of benefits to recalled f/as.
IIRC, to cancel the 4-month leaves offered for the first 4 months of this year the company would have show a shortage of f/as. Two problems...First, don't know how many of the 4mo leaves were granted at IMA--possibly none. Second problem, IMA is still technically "overstaffed"; so, a recall would not increase the number of f/as at IMA.
Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I hear, IMA is not short of f/as. IMA is short of f/as who are actually flying.
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IORFA said:
As a co-worker from Belgium used to say (when I was at Texaco), "I didn't knew that."
At that rate, assuming an 8 hour flight (as I did earlier), it saves the company 67% to pay understaffing vs. a 4th crew member. I don't know what minimum staffing on 767 is in International, but assuming that the FAA minimum applies (4), then not adding a 5th f/a still saves something like 44%.
But, I don't think cost is the issue. I think it is simply a case of there not being a body to assign to the flight.
The idea that sending a plane out understaffed is somehow a cost savings is inaccurate at best. Example If I call in sick for a trip and the plane goes out understaffed by one. The company is paying me full pay because I am out sick, plus they are paying every other crew member on board that flight a premium (understaffing pay).
There is a loss of money, the company pays out more when we are understaffed, along with the fact that the service can suffer. Like our MVD trip where we went out min crew on a 763. Full boat both ways.
There is a loss of money, the company pays out more when we are understaffed, along with the fact that the service can suffer. Like our MVD trip where we went out min crew on a 763. Full boat both ways.
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FA Mikey said:
Mikey, that doesn't makes sense....
You call in sick and there's no reserve available, we pay you plus understaffing to the crew who does show up.
You call in sick and we backfill with a reserve or a reassignment, we pay you plus the reserve/reassigned FA.
On a narrowbody with only three or four crewmembers, it looks like it's still cheaper to pay the premium for understaffing, unless the reserve is still below their guarantee (I'm not sure how many reserves end up the month without meeting their guarantee, but I'd like to think it isn't too many).
But I agree with Jim that it's probably a case of not having anyone to assign, or perhaps not wanting to use up reserves too early in the month, as opposed to a deliberate attempt to generate a cost savings.
A crew of 5 scheduled on a flight
one calls in sick
plane goes understaffed
company pays same crew costs for flight.
The one out sick is getting full fight pay, plus the rest of the crew each gets understaffing pay.
Where are the great savings. If I was the one who called in I got full pay. If I was one of the remaining 4 I got a premium.
one calls in sick
plane goes understaffed
company pays same crew costs for flight.
The one out sick is getting full fight pay, plus the rest of the crew each gets understaffing pay.
Where are the great savings. If I was the one who called in I got full pay. If I was one of the remaining 4 I got a premium.
