Short F/a's On Carribean Flights
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FA Mikey said:
If you were backfilled by a reserve, the reserve gets paid instead of the paying out understaffing to the remaining 3 or 4.
As best I can tell, domestic pay rates under the restructuring for 2/4/6/8 year FA's are around $21/24/30/35 per hour, maxing out around $44 for seniority of 15+ (those rates are a guess going off Article 3A from the last contract).
In the unlikely event that there's a 2 year reserve available, it's roughly the same cost as paying the $5/hr premium to 4 people. No savings, aside from having to perhaps pay deadheading pay, a per diem, or some other form of non-flight-time related pay built into the contract.
If the reserve is making $30/hr, it's still cheaper to pay $5/hr * 4 = $20/hr understaffing to a crew of four, not to mention the other stuff mentioned above. Approx $10/hour cheaper with a six year reserve, and as high as $24/hour for a 15 year+ reserve.
Again, I'm not in any way advocating that this be pursued as a cost savings measure, but the math says it's probably cheaper to pay out understaffing.
The point is working, sick or IOD you are still paying a full compliment crew. If it is understaffed working crew gets paid a premium, If no reserve, available MU or low on time is utilized. You were not saying it was a cost savings, others implyied AA save big by the understaffing.
It seems to me that AA is shory F/A's again system wide. I have been personally Reassigned 2wice in 3 days, ( Not on reserve this month ), and I have also talked to other domestic line holders in the same situation. Does anyone know what is going on?
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I wish I did know what is going on. We walk in with more trips than we have reserves. As far as domestic goes that is beyond me. But international had an increase in hours and flying because of a number of CRAF missionsFlyboy4u said:
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Then how come I can't get maxed out because there are no trips in open time! I've got to come back to STL on the 26th and fly another trip because I'm short 4.17. Yet, I'm wasting the whole day here at the crash pad because I had a trip yesterday and one tomorrow, but nothing for today.
No one suffers as I suffer!!! 🙁 🙁 🙁
No one suffers as I suffer!!! 🙁 🙁 🙁
jimntx said:Then how come I can't get maxed out because there are no trips in open time! I've got to come back to STL on the 26th and fly another trip because I'm short 4.17. Yet, I'm wasting the whole day here at the crash pad because I had a trip yesterday and one tomorrow, but nothing for today.
No one suffers as I suffer!!! 🙁 🙁 🙁
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cry your sorrows to our furloughees. You are getting a paycheck if you fly or not so shut up.
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MiAAmi said:
Can't you tell a joke when you see one? Don't you think if I were serious that 3 sorrow faces followed by a laugh out loud would be just a little over the top? Jeez.
Besides you forget I WAS furloughed for 17 months. Spare me the lectures.
Jim
Know matter what you post on these boards someone will always throw a smart a** comment your way. It always seems to be the same individuals as well. Those who haven't gone through a furlough will never understand.
What Unity?
Know matter what you post on these boards someone will always throw a smart a** comment your way. It always seems to be the same individuals as well. Those who haven't gone through a furlough will never understand.
What Unity?
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FA Mikey said:
Mike,
I think what they are trying to address is the idea that it costs less money to pay you sick time and the crew understaffing as opposed to hiring an additional FA to cover the position with all the cost related to that additional FA.
If the cost of an additional FA is more than the understaffing, then it makes financial sense to pay the U/S (customer service not with standing).
I understand that. But am I right or wrong on a flight leaving today with out reguard to returning furloughs. Is there a cost savings to the company sending out a flight understaffed?Garfield1966 said:
Others have tried to make the point that if we purposely schedule flights short that there is a savings to the company. Since they pay the person missing (sick time) plus the understaffing to the working crew. I dont see how it benefits AA or anyone in any way. Company, employee or customer.
FA Mikey said:
Mikey - If you staff short you are paying a sick person plus the crew members that work the flight and the U/S pay to each of them.
If you put a make up or high time reserve on the trip you are paying the SICK person, the original crew members, PLUS the Make Up flyer or high time reserve.
If the reserve is making more than 20 dollars per flight hour, its cheaper to pay on a 737 the three remaining crew members $5 dollars each per hour - total $15/hr than it is to pay the additional crew member the $20/hr.
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MiAAmi said:
Oh, so in addition to being the only one who knows anything about anything, you are now the arbiter of good taste? Is this just since Martha has been in the pokey?
Or have you been hiding this other talent from us peons?
And, if us peons can't whine about not being able to max out on availability, then you and FA Mikey can put a sock in it over your poor overworked, understaffed fannies. At least you have a job! At International pay rates, too! (See, it works both ways.)
