Sick Policy

[john john]

Absolutely wrong! If you are going to be out 3 or more days under doctors care, this does qualify you for FMLA. If the employee has enough hours worked and their station has more than 50 employees. If not, the other option is medical leave, I know it's in the fleet service CBA. Ask your station administration for FMLA (if you qualify) or medical leave paperwork for doctor to fill out. 0 points are accrued for these types of leaves.

Elective schedule surgery is cover under FMLA?
Are you sure about that?
Bush water it down

Please sight the DOL rulings on this

 

[700UW]

Getting skin cancer removed is NOT elective surgery, and surgery is surgery, unless you getting plastic, not for medical reasons.

After I left US, I had FMLA for 7 days for the flu working at Philip Morris, as long as you follow the procedure you can get FMLA, US likes to make you fight for it, we battled this in maintenance and won.

And Shannon, there is no attendance policy in the CBA, therefore its management rights, they have the right to set policies, if the union feels its unfair or a violation you grieve it.

We in maintenance won an arbitration against the former attendance policy, the results were you couldnt be disciplined for the legitimate use of sick time, especially if you had a Dr's note, just as long as you didnt have a pattern of extending your weekend.

 

[john john]

Getting skin cancer removed is NOT elective surgery, and surgery is surgery, unless you getting plastic, not for medical reasons.

After I left US, I had FMLA for 7 days for the flu working at Philip Morris, as long as you follow the procedure you can get FMLA, US likes to make you fight for it, we battled this in maintenance and won.

And Shannon, there is no attendance policy in the CBA, therefore its management rights, they have the right to set policies, if the union feels its unfair or a violation you grieve it.

We in maintenance won an arbitration against the former attendance policy, the results were you couldnt be disciplined for the legitimate use of sick time, especially if you had a Dr's note, just as long as you didnt have a pattern of extending your weekend.

The company FMLA administrators can contact your doctor and ask to have it schedule on your vacation or at a slow time and give you VTO

All I’m saying this is some of the tactic being used

 

[Harry Callahan]

Doc,

You say things like "should" as a subjective statement on how things would be in an ideal situation, but the normative reality is that people are being charge one point regardless of reasons provided... sick, security breach at TSA screening, power outage, bad weather, flat tire, child birth, etc. The only saving grace is FMLA which cannot be so casually dismissed as it is Federal law. The Management spin was to call the policy as a "No Fault" but it could be more accurately called "All Employees' Fault" because I am hard pressed to think of a situation for which the absence would be anything else BUT the employee's fault! I am reminded of the so-called "Right to Work State" when it is more akin to being a "Right to be Fired for Any Reason or You can Quit Any Time State". The labeling does not match the reality of the situation.

In terms of Management discretion for a "good employee", I have personally seen a "good employee" who screwed-up by picking-up a full-time shift but confused the days and ended-up with a no call, no show... and no phone call from Management either. From Level 0 ("good employee") to Level 2, so much for Management benevolence. This policy more than any other has caused the greatest amount of animosity between the FSA's and the Tempe Boys. For example, I was once a very helpful agent willing to go the extra mile to get flights out on time, but now I walk-off a gate and refuse to stay even a minute longer to complete a push-out for a flight -- for the simple reason that if Management is going to hold me accountable with a 1/2 point for every 30 seconds I am "late", then I'll be damned if I am going to go the extra distance by working even a extra minute!

So Disposes Jester.

Hi Jester:
This is the post of the day or maybe the year for that matter & for once we agree 1000%. This is the MAIN reason I refuse to give these people one extra second. I will do the exact same thing. Everyone else needs to get on board.

Jester, bro roa know's all the good bbq places but if you come to Clt I'll get you some bbq or take you to a good old NC fish camp.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Hey, everyone, is there really anyone who does not believe that the ACP for CWAers is about getting rid of people? Especially senior, top of scale, people, As stated by other posters, once someone is on an attendance level, it's a very slippery slope.

Someone used the example of an agent being placed on level one going for 11 months with perfect attendance, then getting sick for one day and has car trouble (or a jackknifed big rig on the 405) the next week. WHAM level II.

Don't tell me that there aren't bean counters in Tempe who realize that a healthy 20 year old at the start of the payscale is lot cheaper than, say, a 45 year old, top of scale, agent with a medical condition is.

 

[leprechaun]

The CWA contract gives us five sick days a year. How can the company punish you for something contractually agreed upon?

Are we penalized for taking our vacations?


And that very compassionate management, my child broke his arm, I have to take him to the hospital....TWO points, unexcused absense.

The roads were frozen over, It was unsafe to drive....TWO points, unexcused absense.

 

[wings396]

The CWA contract gives us five sick days a year. How can the company punish you for something contractually agreed upon?

Are we penalized for taking our vacations?


And that very compassionate management, my child broke his arm, I have to take him to the hospital....TWO points, unexcused absense.

The roads were frozen over, It was unsafe to drive....TWO points, unexcused absense.

I still have a tough time understanding why anyone calls in using any reason other than being sick. If you know that you are going to get screwed with 2 points due to frozen roads, or you kid getting hurt, be sick. It has been proven time and time again that being honest gets you further in the hole with points. If your going to be an hour late, you may as well bag the whole day given that both will get you one point.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

. It has been proven time and time again that being honest gets you further in the hole with points. If your going to be an hour late, you may as well bag the whole day given that both will get you one point.

Or call off for two days. Still one point. Good example of the law of unintended consequnences.

 

[john john]

The CWA contract gives us five sick days a year.

Snap Back
As of 12/31/2011 Sick Leave and Pay (12 Days at Full Pay)

 

[SpinDoc]

Doc,

You say things like "should" as a subjective statement on how things would be in an ideal situation, but the normative reality is that people are being charge one point regardless of reasons provided... sick, security breach at TSA screening, power outage, bad weather, flat tire, child birth, etc.


In terms of Management discretion for a "good employee", I have personally seen a "good employee" who screwed-up by picking-up a full-time shift but confused the days and ended-up with a no call, no show... and no phone call from Management either. From Level 0 ("good employee") to Level 2, so much for Management benevolence. [/quote

Jester:

Unfortunately, in the current environment mandated by Tempe, you are right on both of these accounts. I was a Fleet Services shift manager in PHL, CLT, and PIT from 2005-2010, and I can honestly say that my demise most likely came about because I gave the employees the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. I routinely adjusted agent shifts in Workbrain to cover for events outside of their control, such as traffic accidents, weather events, TSA security delays, and validated sick events.

On top of that, I took the time to call tardy/no-show agents at home, or got a shop steward to call them when they failed to show up, and then I worked with them to either adjust their shift, or create a time swap in the system if they had a good reason for their error. Good managers look out for their people because the manager is only as good as his people. The abusers of the system will eventually find their way out, because you can't cover for them every single time, but in rare instances, the manager DOES have the ability to reward good employees through shift adjustments and swaps.

The problem is that most shift managers don't understand how to work with PEOPLE, and they toe the company line to a fault. In the end, they have a group of employees who are disgruntled rather than cooperative. This makes the shift manager's job that much more difficult.

When I was in CLT and PIT, I could ask anyone on the ramp to help me when the operation was going south, and I had more than enough support to get things done. I know of several other managers that couldn't get help no matter what, and they resorted to unnecessary tactics such as mandatory overtime because they had to . It's amazing what can happen if you care enough to take care of your employees.

 

[formerislandgirl]

The company FMLA administrators can contact your doctor and ask to have it schedule on your vacation or at a slow time and give you VTO

All I’m saying this is some of the tactic being used

My gosh going with half a days pay is bad enough, taking VTO is asking a little too much. So they are saying we should put off surgery until our vacation, that is crazy.

When I have enough hours in, I will try and get the FMLA. Since I was called back from furlough at the end of last year, I did not have enough hours.

I was not put on a step, but was told I have 1 point against me. Like I said a year is a long time and many things can happen with in that year. You only get 5 points until your put on a level.

I really don't understand the point system. Is it 5 in a year or how does it work. I just know it's an awful program. My Doctor even said he had never heard of a Company paying half a days pay for sick time.

Yes, skin cancer surgery is not elective, I would have rather not had it. I don't think anyone would elect to have the scares that it leaves behind after it is removed.

 

[rainman1706]

The company FMLA administrators can contact your doctor and ask to have it schedule on your vacation or at a slow time and give you VTO

All I’m saying this is some of the tactic being used

Where did you come up with this BS! That is interference of your FMLA rights and is against the law. There is no negotiations between the company and your doctor! You don't know what your talking about, I suggest you don't give out bad info.

 

[700UW]

HIPPA

 

[rainman1706]

My gosh going with half a days pay is bad enough, taking VTO is asking a little too much. So they are saying we should put off surgery until our vacation, that is crazy.

When I have enough hours in, I will try and get the FMLA. Since I was called back from furlough at the end of last year, I did not have enough hours.

I was not put on a step, but was told I have 1 point against me. Like I said a year is a long time and many things can happen with in that year. You only get 5 points until your put on a level.

I really don't understand the point system. Is it 5 in a year or how does it work. I just know it's an awful program. My Doctor even said he had never heard of a Company paying half a days pay for sick time.

Yes, skin cancer surgery is not elective, I would have rather not had it. I don't think anyone would elect to have the scares that it leaves behind after it is removed.

If you don't have enough hours to qualify for FMLA, you can always take a medical leave, which would cover your surgery without getting any points from the attendance policy. Ask your manager for medical leave paperwork. Have your doctor fill it out and you should be good to go!

 

[Dog Wonder]

The company medical staff is nurse bureaucrats. More interested in corporate goals than anyone's health.