Somewhere in all of this...

[phasersonstun2]

Will Parker ever get serious about putting this thing together or just watch the LCC stock to drop to new lows daily?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Will Parker ever get serious about putting this thing together or just watch the LCC stock to drop to new lows daily?

Why try to fix what can't be fixed? Much easier to synergize, spin off, swap stocks, merge, finance, refinance, and restructure. Middlemen love it because it's how they make their money. Notice how Doug, Scott and company have been laying very low lately. I highly doubt it's because they are freightened or intimidated by the puffed up EAP Easties...they've disappeared from the congenial Westies as well. Suddenly there is no more talk about fixing PHL, China or being present iat joint negotiations. And finally, we have the spectacle of the East pilots through the antics & frivolous lawsuits of their MEC, begging to be synergized. The concern of the DAL pilots last time around was who would eat the loss of a thousand pilot jobs when the MD90s were parked and a shuttle was divested. Parker couldn't definitively assure them that they wouldn't take any cuts but rather could only offer vague assurances there would be no job losses. Understandably, that sure didn't sit well with Lee Moak and company. But with ops in the toilet in the East, PHL being an unfixable wreck, and now the scorched Earth behavior of a certain employee group willing to sue anybody and everbody, well, there's no point to cooperate or try to reach "conscentual" solutions. I suspect the UAL pilots or the DAL pilots will be very accepting of the proposed structure of the next merger.

East, prepare to be synergized.

 

[hp_fa]

It's been too quiet. I suspect we are in a SEC Quiet Period and something is about to happen.

 

[aquagreen73s]

It's been too quiet. I suspect we are in a SEC Quiet Period and something is about to happen.

Parker will sell what he can't manage.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Why try to fix what can't be fixed? Much easier to synergize, spin off, swap stocks, merge, finance, refinance, and restructure. Middlemen love it because it's how they make their money. Notice how Doug, Scott and company have been laying very low lately. I highly doubt it's because they are freightened or intimidated by the puffed up EAP Easties...they've disappeared from the congenial Westies as well. Suddenly there is no more talk about fixing PHL, China or being present iat joint negotiations. And finally, we have the spectacle of the East pilots through the antics & frivolous lawsuits of their MEC, begging to be synergized. The concern of the DAL pilots last time around was who would eat the loss of a thousand pilot jobs when the MD90s were parked and a shuttle was divested. Parker couldn't definitively assure them that they wouldn't take any cuts but rather could only offer vague assurances there would be no job losses. Understandably, that sure didn't sit well with Lee Moak and company. But with ops in the toilet in the East, PHL being an unfixable wreck, and now the scorched Earth behavior of a certain employee group willing to sue anybody and everbody, well, there's no point to cooperate or try to reach "conscentual" solutions. I suspect the UAL pilots or the DAL pilots will be very accepting of the proposed structure of the next merger.

East, prepare to be synergized.


I love your FUD. Sorry to tell you this but PHL is the number one money maker. Maybe the Westies should be prepared. Either way the sun will rise so quit trying to scare us because in reality you are the ones who are peeing the bed.

 

[Travelpro72]

I think that upper management knows that there is serious problems with the operation. It's to a point now that they are probably sitting around a table trying to figure out where to start first. I certainly wouldn't wanna be in their shoes. They put us here. The employees didn't. I wouldn't even want to show my face. I think the quiet period we are seeing is possibly a combo of the said above as well as something bigger going on. We are basically in limbo it feels. I ask myself, "Who are we, what are we, where are we going and most importantly WHO the hell is at the controls". It was not this bad in our darkest days of two BK's. Thats the truth. 🙄

 

[N965VJ]

All Doug cares about is the next merger. This line of thinking spills onto the next level of boneheads in Tempe.

No surprise US is an operational mess. Don’t expect any changes until it affects the spreadsheet.

 

[aquagreen73s]

I certainly wouldn't wanna be in their shoes. They put us here. The employees didn't.

The problems PHL has predate Tempe and Parker. It's just business as usual: tugs being driven into rivers, airplanes being dispatched with no bags, gang fights...wash rinse spin. It's unfixable.

Hawk once again is confused except instead of it being seniority versus longevity, now he confuses profits with revenue. PHL has incredible revenue potential, but that is very different from quarterly profits. There is probably a good reason why the stock is in free fall. Wanna venture a guess? I'll give you a hint: it probably has to do with that profit thing.

PHL is unfixable with the current inhabitants. It's valuable real estate for sure, but it will never realize its true revenue potential with tugs being driven into rivers, gangs on the ramp, aircraft being dispatched without baggage, the PHL 22, should I go on? None of those issues are minor or issues that a management round table could possibly fix. It's beyond fixing. Prepare to be synergized.

 

[Travelpro72]

a big problem with PHL ALL stems back to management. THEY choose the folks that drive tugs into rivers and such. Choose your employees more carefully and pay them a bit more and maybe, just MAYBE they'd care. These folks have absolutely NO time invested in our company and couldn't possibly care less. The pay is horrible and they get treated like $H!T. I wouldn't do it....NO THANKS. I love the referral money they are offering if an employee knows someone interested in working for Usairways. Some enemies maybe.

 

[aquagreen73s]

a big problem with PHL ALL stems back to management.

That appears to be the case and I suppose it goes back to Scofield's middle managers. But it doesn't change the fact that the patient at this point is incurable.

 

[Hawkhunter]

The problems PHL has predate Tempe and Parker. It's just business as usual: tugs being driven into rivers, airplanes being dispatched with no bags, gang fights...wash rinse spin. It's unfixable.

Hawk once again is confused except instead of it being seniority versus longevity, now he confuses profits with revenue. PHL has incredible revenue potential, but that is very different from quarterly profits. There is probably a good reason why the stock is in free fall. Wanna venture a guess? I'll give you a hint: it probably has to do with that profit thing.

PHL is unfixable with the current inhabitants. It's valuable real estate for sure, but it will never realize its true revenue potential with tugs being driven into rivers, gangs on the ramp, aircraft being dispatched without baggage, the PHL 22, should I go on? None of those issues are minor or issues that a management round table could possibly fix. It's beyond fixing. Prepare to be synergized.

I think the last tug was driven into the river about 10 years ago. You are confused if you think PHL is going away. There has been a big improvement in the last year. Keep telling yourself all these things and maybe you will feel better. What you need to do is redefine what you think a windfall is. Obviously the EC is. Stock goes up and stock goes down. How long have you been in this business? Keep screaming the sky is falling but remember we have heard it all before.

 

[Travelpro72]

Staff the airport with workers that are paid a higher wage and benefits with working conditions that are more suitable. Hire from a different pool and you will get more quality workers. Workers that care. PHL has always been bad but over the years even before our BK's it wasn't THAT bad. They keep throwing grease on broken wheels. FIX it. Easier said than done but CAN be done.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Staff the airport with workers that are paid a higher wage and benefits with working conditions that are more suitable. Hire from a different pool and you will get more quality workers. Workers that care. PHL has always been bad but over the years even before our BK's it wasn't THAT bad. They keep throwing grease on broken wheels. FIX it. Easier said than done but CAN be done.

Butting up against your prescription (which is right on by the way) is the reality of modern structured finance. Airline employees, like the rest of America, have been reduced to being a cost number on some spreadsheet. For your prescription to occur, management and the board of directors would have to ignore every reflexive sense which defines modern corporate America. So I doubt there will be anything more from management (any management...even Jack Welsh at this point) than mere lip service about implementing a viable plan to fix what is wrong. But even if you could change the management approach, there is one impediment to your prescription: it's the reality of labor law. Those laws are of general applicability and were designed to protect the worker across a broad spectrum of occupations. For the most party they have functioned to protect the average worker in the average workplace; we're a long way from Upton Sinclair's time. The problem here is that those same laws which function so well for the normal part of America, actually work to insulate the PHL virus. Raising the pay now will only serve to further cement the prison culture which has overrun what used to be a normal American workplace.

 

[Harry Callahan]

a big problem with PHL ALL stems back to management. THEY choose the folks that drive tugs into rivers and such. Choose your employees more carefully and pay them a bit more and maybe, just MAYBE they'd care. These folks have absolutely NO time invested in our company and couldn't possibly care less. The pay is horrible and they get treated like $H!T. I wouldn't do it....NO THANKS. I love the referral money they are offering if an employee knows someone interested in working for Usairways. Some enemies maybe.

I don't need the money bad enough to refer any one here.

 

[Whatnow?]

FIX it. Easier said than done but CAN be done.

I'm sure right now they are scratching their heads in bewilderment trying to figure out how to get out of the mess they've created! This airline is at it's worst I've EVER seen in over 18 years....geez, I miss the BK days, at least then we were a better airline than this! I've been working mostly T/A trips trying to stay away from the mess...but guess what, T/A hasn't been any better! I'm starting to hear Europeans now say they will never fly US again.....how sad it has gotten! Out of the last 11 or so flights to the UK in the past 2 months....only 1 was anywhere close to being on time....the rest have been averaging 2-7 hour late arrivals in both directions. I sure hope that it's going to get better than this...maybe another merger is on the way.....we could only hope, because it's obvious that this new management team from AWA is in WAY over their heads!