Sounds like USAirways is losing a lot of aircraft

[Charlie_Tuna]

Do any union contracts still have a minimum number of aircraft they have to maintain and what type or capacity they have to be?

How many aircraft does USAirways have now before the losses?

How many and what type they getting rid of?

 

[TravelDude]

NARROW:
A319 HP=39 US=54 = 93
A320 HP=55 US=20 = 75
A321 US=28 =28
B737 HP=27 US=69 = 96
B757 HP=12 US=31 = 43
TOTAL NARROW = 335

WIDE:
A330 US=9 = 9
B767 US=10 = 10
TOTAL WIDE = 19

TOTAL COMBINED FLEETS = 354

- 737 announced this week - 7
- 757 to FedEx - 8


I think that is about right, anyone else know?

 

[EMBFA]

3 E190

 

[LGA777]

3 E190

Actually 4, 947 was delivered to CLT on 4-29.

LGA777

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Actually 4, 947 was delivered to CLT on 4-29.

LGA777

So it will be put into service right away?

 

[700UW]

US in the last chapter 11 removed the minimum a/c count from the all the CBAs.

I do believe ALPA did get some new language in their interim agreement.

 

[john john]

US in the last chapter 11 removed the minimum a/c count from the all the CBAs.

I do believe ALPA did get some new language in their interim agreement.

The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements with ALPA will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers except that for every two (2) aircraft in excess of the combined 360 aircraft (excluding EMB 190 aircraft) operated at both US Airways and America West, that are added to revenue service in the mainline fleet, the Company may allow three (3) additional CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at Express carriers.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I do believe ALPA did get some new language in their interim agreement.

10% below the number of aircraft operated at BK exit, not counting the E190's. In round numbers, East can drop to about 200 and West to about 130.

Jim

 

[EMBFA]

The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements with ALPA will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers except that for every two (2) aircraft in excess of the combined 360 aircraft (excluding EMB 190 aircraft) operated at both US Airways and America West, that are added to revenue service in the mainline fleet, the Company may allow three (3) additional CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at Express carriers.

And this, right here, is why US Airways will never grow again, much less get its furloughed employees back.

 

[FWAAA]

And this, right here, is why US Airways will never grow again, much less get its furloughed employees back.

One huge reason that US (and most other legacies) probably won't ever grow again (at least on the domestic side) is that the LCCs are growing their fleets faster than the growth rate of our economy. Faster than the demand for air travel.

Sure, WN's fares cause the "Southwest Effect" when they first invade a legacy stranglehold, but they also keep adding capacity relentlessly to soak up that demand.

When someone wins, someone else usually loses. The legacies are gonna take it on the chin unless one or more of the LCCs begins to lose. B6 faltered this winter, and their overanxious growth rate has caused loss after loss lately, but it will probably survive. WN hasn't shown any weaknesses lately, so I wouldn't count on WN failing.

Sadly, demand for air travel is not growing at double digit rates anymore, which means those growing at huge annual rates are gonna cause some declines at some other airlines.

 

[700UW]

Thanks Jim.