Supreme Court and Marriage equality/Obamacare ?

[Dog Wonder]

I will be damned if I will accept gays redefining marriage to suit there purposes. 

It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not.

 

[Ifly2]

Won't accept it?

How?

Move to Iraq?

Martyr thyself on the altar of thy belief that your beliefs define the world for everyone else?

This is not a theocracy.

The Dominionists (look it up... Hint: Start with Papa Cruz and his mouthpiece kid, the real American Taliban...) have not assumed control.

Hopefully, enough people will continue to think for themselves and resist the programming to make sure that never happens here.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The most dangerous person alive is a well armed person who thinks for themselves.
 
Why do you think their is such an emphasis on what we see read and hear?
 
Truth becomes Treason when the Empire lies to protect itself

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not.

True.
 
 

This is not a theocracy.

Also true.
 
 

Truer still...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Define creator.

 

[700UW]

Ask the men who wrote the COTUS, the information is out there.

 

[Ifly2]

The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence didn't believe in a god, he was a deist.

Wedding Church And State, Susan Jacoby, director of the Center for Inquiry-Metro New York, writes:

In 1773, the Rev. Isaac Backus , the most prominent Baptist minister in New England, observed that when "church and state are separate, the effects are happy, and they do not at all interfere with each other: but where they have been confounded together, no tongue nor pen can fully describe the mischiefs that have ensued."

If only that reverend manqué, President George W. Bush, had consulted the Reverend Backus' "An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty" before endorsing the mischief implicit in a constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman and "prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever."

One of the most ironic aspects of the current assault on separation of church and state is that the apostles of religious correctness have managed to obscure the broad and tolerant origins of the godless Constitution, which was written and ratified by a coalition of Enlightenment rationalists and evangelical Christians equally fearful of entanglements between religion and government.
By Arthur Schlesinger Jr., published in the Los Angeles Times, October 24, 2004:

The founding fathers did not mention God in the Constitution, and the faithful often regarded our early presidents as insufficiently pious.
George Washington was a nominal Anglican who rarely stayed for Communion.

John Adams was a Unitarian, which Trinitarians abhorred as heresy. Thomas Jefferson, denounced as an atheist, was actually a deist who detested organized religion and who produced an expurgated version of the New Testament with the miracles eliminated. Jefferson and James Madison, a nominal Episcopalian, were the architects of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom. James Monroe was another Virginia Episcopalian. John Quincy Adams was another Massachusetts Unitarian.

The Godless Constitution

The word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States. After spending three-and-a-half months debating and negotiating about what should go into the document that would govern the land, the framers drafted a constitution that is secular. The U.S. Constitution is often confused with the Declaration of Independence, and it's important to understand the difference.

The Declaration of Independence is seen as that document that established the new nation of the United States. It was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776. It was signed by the Continental Congress and sent to King George III of England. It is a very eloquent document that is celebrated every July 4, but it is not the law of the land. It is a statement of sentiments directed to King George III in reaction to unfair taxation. The U.S. Constitution was ratified on March 4, 1789 -- thirteen years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence refers to "the Creator:"

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document; it is not the U.S. Constitution. Foes of the principle of separation of church and state often refer to the word "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence as proof that the framers of the U.S. Constitution intended for the United States to be ruled by a soveriegn being. Nothing could be further from the truth. The United States Constitution was written and ratified by elected officials representing a coalition of Enlightenment rationalists and evangelical Christians who were deeply concerned about entanglements between religion and government.

From Legacy Of Freedom by Rob Boston, Church and State, January, 2003. "Jefferson, Madison And The Nation's Founders Left Us Church-State Separation. Can We Keep It?"

What the Religious Right doesn't tell people, and what, tragically, many Amer­icans apparently don't know, is that when it comes to determining what the laws of the United States mean, the only document that matters is the Consti­tution. The Constitution, a completely secular document, contains no references to God, Jesus or Christianity. It says absolutely nothing about the United States being officially Christian. The Religious Right's constant appeals to documents like the Declaration of Independence, which contains a deistic reference to "the Creator," cloud the issue and make some people believe their rights spring from these other documents.

The Godless Constitution was written by two professors of government and history at Cornell University. Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore have spent their careers studying religion in American life. Some quotes from their book:

The preamble of the Constitution invokes the people of the United States. It does not invoke any sort of God

The Constitution forbids any religious test to hold office. A godless person is just as eligible as a godly one! (Article 6, Paragraph 3)

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin strongly suggested on June 28 that the convention have prayers said there. Evangelists take this as proof that the convention then went on with prayers. But, in fact, the convention did not accept the suggestion, and the convention went on without prayers.

 

[Ifly2]

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

 

[Ifly2]

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=312

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Define creator.

 
I'd be only too happy to   Do Re Mi.
 
(the) Creator is defined by numerous terms, begining with.....CREATOR  (the CREATOR), GOD, ALLAH, (the) GREAT MYSTERY, WAKAN TANKA (in the Lakota Sioux language), BUDDHA and what ever name the Hindu people use to describe thier CREATOR/GOD.
 
Of importance...La La, perhaps you've noticed that the one and ONLY agreement between all of the religions is that ALL agree that there exist a HIGHER POWER !
 
So, go ahead La La, ...pick one.
After you've select one.....STOP RIGHT THERE.  There be NO REASON to Extrapolate it out any further !
 
If you (for instance) selected 'GOD', thats fine. Leave it Right There.  Any other 'additions' would be part of a HIGHLY Successful product of SOCIAL ENGINEERING  !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Are you implying that the capitalist economic model coupled with education and ingenuity has not led our country to prosperity?

 
Your half right.
 
'IT' has led to properity to the nation, but not as a whole.
Corperations and stock holders ?      YES.
The US working man/woman ?            N O !
And if you don't believe me, check out the 'earnings' of the corperations over the last 15 years and you'll see a significant RISE in profits.
 
Check out the earnings of the workers over the last 15 years. You'll see that....that line remains virtually FLAT.
You'll also notice the shrinking of the MIDDLE CLASS in this country, the shrinking percentage of organized labor which is/was solely responsible for the creation of the Middle Class.
 
But alas.  No matter HOW much Critical Thinking I do towards the Whole scenario, I'm AMAZED at how often I'll find examples of people who for NO imaginable reason,....keep voting AGAINST thier 'self interests', who keep begging thier state legislatures to enact  RTW laws, which then leaves me with no other expanation than,.............these folks  LICK the BOOTS of 'The MAN', and (most) Sadly,.......LIKE the TASTE !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence didn't believe in a god, he was a deist.

Wedding Church And State, Susan Jacoby, director of the Center for Inquiry-Metro New York, writes:

In 1773, the Rev. Isaac Backus , the most prominent Baptist minister in New England, observed that when "church and state are separate, the effects are happy, and they do not at all interfere with each other: but where they have been confounded together, no tongue nor pen can fully describe the mischiefs that have ensued."

If only that reverend manqué, President George W. Bush, had consulted the Reverend Backus' "An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty" before endorsing the mischief implicit in a constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman and "prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever."

One of the most ironic aspects of the current assault on separation of church and state is that the apostles of religious correctness have managed to obscure the broad and tolerant origins of the godless Constitution, which was written and ratified by a coalition of Enlightenment rationalists and evangelical Christians equally fearful of entanglements between religion and government.
By Arthur Schlesinger Jr., published in the Los Angeles Times, October 24, 2004:

The founding fathers did not mention God in the Constitution, and the faithful often regarded our early presidents as insufficiently pious.
George Washington was a nominal Anglican who rarely stayed for Communion.

John Adams was a Unitarian, which Trinitarians abhorred as heresy. Thomas Jefferson, denounced as an atheist, was actually a deist who detested organized religion and who produced an expurgated version of the New Testament with the miracles eliminated. Jefferson and James Madison, a nominal Episcopalian, were the architects of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom. James Monroe was another Virginia Episcopalian. John Quincy Adams was another Massachusetts Unitarian.

The Godless Constitution

The word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States. After spending three-and-a-half months debating and negotiating about what should go into the document that would govern the land, the framers drafted a constitution that is secular. The U.S. Constitution is often confused with the Declaration of Independence, and it's important to understand the difference.

The Declaration of Independence is seen as that document that established the new nation of the United States. It was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776. It was signed by the Continental Congress and sent to King George III of England. It is a very eloquent document that is celebrated every July 4, but it is not the law of the land. It is a statement of sentiments directed to King George III in reaction to unfair taxation. The U.S. Constitution was ratified on March 4, 1789 -- thirteen years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence refers to "the Creator:"

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document; it is not the U.S. Constitution. Foes of the principle of separation of church and state often refer to the word "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence as proof that the framers of the U.S. Constitution intended for the United States to be ruled by a soveriegn being. Nothing could be further from the truth. The United States Constitution was written and ratified by elected officials representing a coalition of Enlightenment rationalists and evangelical Christians who were deeply concerned about entanglements between religion and government.

From Legacy Of Freedom by Rob Boston, Church and State, January, 2003. "Jefferson, Madison And The Nation's Founders Left Us Church-State Separation. Can We Keep It?"

What the Religious Right doesn't tell people, and what, tragically, many Amer­icans apparently don't know, is that when it comes to determining what the laws of the United States mean, the only document that matters is the Consti­tution. The Constitution, a completely secular document, contains no references to God, Jesus or Christianity. It says absolutely nothing about the United States being officially Christian. The Religious Right's constant appeals to documents like the Declaration of Independence, which contains a deistic reference to "the Creator," cloud the issue and make some people believe their rights spring from these other documents.

The Godless Constitution was written by two professors of government and history at Cornell University. Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore have spent their careers studying religion in American life. Some quotes from their book:

The preamble of the Constitution invokes the people of the United States. It does not invoke any sort of God

The Constitution forbids any religious test to hold office. A godless person is just as eligible as a godly one! (Article 6, Paragraph 3)

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin strongly suggested on June 28 that the convention have prayers said there. Evangelists take this as proof that the convention then went on with prayers. But, in fact, the convention did not accept the suggestion, and the convention went on without prayers.

 
Ifly2,
 
B R A V O !
Your quotes, descriptions above, was the  B E S T  example I've ever read regarding  religion in this (often) F'd - up country.
 
Again Sir,..............I say  B R A V O   !!!!!!!!!!!!!