Supreme Court and Marriage equality/Obamacare ?

[eolesen]

Perhaps I missed something but he is a civil employee. He does not get to pick and choose who he serves. I think k he is performs the marriages before him or he finds a new job. Perhaps someone will make up a religion that is against old folk, women, mentally challenged, pick what ever group you want.... what happens when Christians become a minority... can we discriminate against them?

Oh, but he does have the right to pick and chose. It's called a conscience clause, which is the same exception afforded to a pharmacist (even at a public hospital) to refuse to dispense abortifacients, or a doctor at a public hospital declining to perform certain procedures (including non-medically necessary abortions).

By your definition, then Sikhs and Muslims who serve in the military need to remove their head coverings and/or cut their hair, since they shouldn't get to pick & choose how much of the Uniform standards they have to adhere to. They're civil employees, too.

And yet, the very RFRA that so many liberals seem opposed to affords them the ability to keep their hair and head coverings.

You can't have it both ways here. Forcing people to do things against their will seems far more un-American than discrimination does.

 

[Ms Tree]

Oh, but he does have the right to pick and chose. It's called a conscience clause, which is the same exception afforded to a pharmacist (even at a public hospital) to refuse to dispense abortifacients, or a doctor at a public hospital declining to perform certain procedures (including non-medically necessary abortions).By your definition, then Sikhs and Muslims who serve in the military need to remove their head coverings and/or cut their hair, since they shouldn't get to pick & choose how much of the Uniform standards they have to adhere to. They're civil employees, too.And yet, the very RFRA that so many liberals seem opposed to affords them the ability to keep their hair and head coverings.You can't have it both ways here.

And I disagree with those exceptions as well for the same reasons I out lined above.If you are a civil employee you do what the job entails. No exceptions. Don't like it for what ever reason then find a new job. My taxes pay your salary you damn well better serve me like everyone else.


Same for the military.

Funny how people want certain exceptions but not others. That's how the slippery slopes start. First it's gays then one day it's Christians and you'll be standing around with your finger up your butt wondering how that happened.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Typical liberal double standard. 

what happens when Christians become a minority... can we discriminate against them?

You discriminate against them now.

So it's OK with the liberals to offend the Christians by using an American (tax payer funded) symbol to mock their religious beliefs.
 
If that was the confederate flag they would have lost their minds.
 
Then I have to hear some liberal come on here and whine about legislating morality and discrimination. 
 
GMAFB
 
It's OK to offend people as long as it is not one of the liberals "protected" groups right Tree?

 

[Ms Tree]

So it's OK with the liberals to offend the Christians by using an American (tax payer funded) symbol to mock their religious beliefs.
 
If that was the confederate flag they would have lost their minds.
 
Then I have to hear some liberal come on here and whine about legislating morality and discrimination. 
 
GMAFB
 
It's OK to offend people as long as it is not one of the liberals "protected" groups right Tree?

If you are talking about the LGBT flag.kn the WH I said earlier that I disagreed with it. I don't see how it mocks anyone but I don't think the WH was the appropriate venue.

No one is legislating morality. It was clearly discrimination whish was OK with you. When the tables are turned you squeeze like a stuck pig. Perhaps next time you will remember this feeling when discrimination against a group you disagree with come to the forefront.

 

[delldude]

And I disagree with those exceptions as well for the same reasons I out lined above.If you are a civil employee you do what the job entails. No exceptions. Don't like it for what ever reason then find a new job. My taxes pay your salary you damn well better serve me like everyone else.


Same for the military.

Funny how people want certain exceptions but not others. That's how the slippery slopes start. First it's gays then one day it's Christians and you'll be standing around with your finger up your butt wondering how that happened.

 
You mean like no equal protection for cake bakers?

 

[700UW]

And now the real story:
 

Oregon bakers weren’t fined over cake — they were punished for sharing lesbian couple’s home address
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/oregon-bakers-werent-fined-over-cake-they-were-punished-for-sharing-lesbian-couples-home-address/
 

 
However, the ruling shows the bakery owners had made Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer the victims of persecution and makes clear the payment was compensation for damages and not a fine or civil penalty, reported the blog Love, Joy and Feminism.
 
The ruling shows the Kleins “brought the case to the media’s attention and kept it there by repeatedly appearing in public to make statements deriding” the couple who filed the complaint.
 
“It was foreseeable that this attention would negatively impact (the Bowman-Cryers), making (the Kleins) liable for any resultant emotional suffering experienced by (them),” the agency found.
 
Not only that, as the blog explains, the bakery owners shared the couple’s personal contact information – which led to death threats that nearly caused them to lose custody of their foster children.
 

 

[Ms Tree]

What specific AA and Welfare legal cases are you referring to?
 
Who is deleting posts?  La La makes wild accusations and insults all the time.  This one was mild and did not seem like grounds for deletion.

 

[delldude]

And now the real story:
 
Oregon bakers weren’t fined over cake — they were punished for sharing lesbian couple’s home address
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/oregon-bakers-werent-fined-over-cake-they-were-punished-for-sharing-lesbian-couples-home-address/
 

 
Kinda funny......

 

[southwind]

 
If that was the confederate flag they would have lost their minds.
/quote]

Nope! Their heads would have exploded !

 

[delldude]

I was waiting to see if the stooge would go Red,White and Blue for the fourth to show the rainbow wasn't out of some form of retribution to the right and Christians.
 
I was right about the rainbow.
 
And what are you supposed to find at the end of a rainbow?
 
                                       

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No one is legislating morality.

Lie or Deny
 
The liberal credo.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Their heads would have exploded !

As opposed to the empty skulls collapsing?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

And 50 years ago, Ben Carson may not have even been able to cast a vote, much less run for any office. Do you think conservatives like you allowed that to happen?

There were many people who sounded just like you, who would have oppressed the man you now hold in high esteem.

That was "popular opinion" that you like to trot out as a reason why laws should be made or upheld.

Or why you say that the SCOTUS should rule one way or another.

Now you are quoting him to further your POV.

http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

 

[Ms Tree]

It's a bit hypocritical to day that it's legislating morality when granting marriage equality but it's not legislating morality when passing legislation denying marriage equality. How the heck does that work?