Ted Cruz Announces
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Give your, "you didn't sacrifice" crap to someone else, I served proudly.KCFlyer said:
I noticed, you conveniently ignored the Obama debt thingy, I know, it's not a good look for anyone trying paint Cruz's plan in a bad light.
Cruz's tax plan outcome is 100 times better than the outcome we've now gotten from Obamas massive debt increase.
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We could be Chimps denying evolution.southwind said:
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Thanks for your service. When I expressed my concerns about our troops being sent to a country that didn't do anything to us, the usual conservative response was "they volunteered so they knew what they were getting into". Their kids weren't over there. Like I said....if Cruz or any republican has a hard on for war, they need to bring back the draft and make military service mandatory for everybody...no exceptions...You turn 18, no worries about the draft - you're in the Army now.
I haven't ignored the Obama debt thingy either....you need to remember that the debt isn't wiped clean - Cruz would inherit that. So he'd have to include a plan to pay it down. TAx cuts and increased spending haven't been able to do that. But back then all we heard was "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"....unless a black democrat is doing the spending.
Disagree with you on the draft.
Our military is the best in the world because it's all volunteer.
One more time, you can't give O a complete pass on the debt and then ride Cruz's plan because "it's not all paid for". You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
In the first place, it's OUR money, not the governments.
The government needs to learn to do with less welfare, less food stamps, how about less financial aid to countries that then turn around and have their citizens beating down our borders anyway.
Military can be cut in some areas, we have no need for massive bases in Europe, they can defend themselves, much can be saved there.
But one place I would never cut is the development and deployment of the latest and greatest weaponry.
Cruz's plan effectively massively reduces the size and scope of the IRS, a good thing.
At the end of the day, it dramatically changes the federal budget, and it needs dramatic changes, in a good way. It will force the government to make cuts, it should.
Every demographic will get more money in their pockets, and guess what, they will spend it.
Guess what that will do for the economy, businesses small and large? Grow them.
Our military is the best in the world because it's all volunteer.
One more time, you can't give O a complete pass on the debt and then ride Cruz's plan because "it's not all paid for". You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
In the first place, it's OUR money, not the governments.
The government needs to learn to do with less welfare, less food stamps, how about less financial aid to countries that then turn around and have their citizens beating down our borders anyway.
Military can be cut in some areas, we have no need for massive bases in Europe, they can defend themselves, much can be saved there.
But one place I would never cut is the development and deployment of the latest and greatest weaponry.
Cruz's plan effectively massively reduces the size and scope of the IRS, a good thing.
At the end of the day, it dramatically changes the federal budget, and it needs dramatic changes, in a good way. It will force the government to make cuts, it should.
Every demographic will get more money in their pockets, and guess what, they will spend it.
Guess what that will do for the economy, businesses small and large? Grow them.
"Cruz's tax plan outcome is 100 times..."
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Hast thou traveled into the future, and come back to educate us mere mortals, or do you just like to believe that what you want to believe has already happened?
Explain how The Annointed One gets this plan by Congress, and the multitude of interested lobbies, in anything like its present "form".
He already gave into the construction/realtor lobbies on the mortgage interest deduction, and that is probably the single largest and most costly social engineering tax break out there. What's next? What does it really look like when it is all finished?
Tell us, since you habe been in to the future and seen.
Tax Reform never happens
Statement of fact
Hast thou traveled into the future, and come back to educate us mere mortals, or do you just like to believe that what you want to believe has already happened?
Explain how The Annointed One gets this plan by Congress, and the multitude of interested lobbies, in anything like its present "form".
He already gave into the construction/realtor lobbies on the mortgage interest deduction, and that is probably the single largest and most costly social engineering tax break out there. What's next? What does it really look like when it is all finished?
Tell us, since you habe been in to the future and seen.
Tax Reform never happens
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Taxpayers in the bottom decile would see a 4.3 percent increase in after-tax income due to the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which more than offsets the impact of the new value-added tax. The next six deciles (the 10th through 70th percentiles) would see increases in after-tax adjusted gross income (AGI) of between 1.2 and 2.4 percent. High income taxpayers that fall in the highest income class (the 90-100 percent decile) would see an increase in after-tax income of 17.4 percent. The top 1 percent of all taxpayers would see a 29.6 percent increase in after-tax income."
1.2% to 2.4% for the 10th to 70th percentile, 29.6% for tje 1%
Taxpayers in the bottom decile would see a 4.3 percent increase in after-tax income due to the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which more than offsets the impact of the new value-added tax. The next six deciles (the 10th through 70th percentiles) would see increases in after-tax adjusted gross income (AGI) of between 1.2 and 2.4 percent. High income taxpayers that fall in the highest income class (the 90-100 percent decile) would see an increase in after-tax income of 17.4 percent. The top 1 percent of all taxpayers would see a 29.6 percent increase in after-tax income."
1.2% to 2.4% for the 10th to 70th percentile, 29.6% for tje 1%
"The Taxes and Growth Model does not take into account the fiscal or economic effects of interest on debt. It also does not require budgets to balance over the long term, nor does it account for the potential macroeconomic effects of any spending cuts that may be required to finance the plan."
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I suppose you subscribe to those that do the least, get the most .
Equal outcomes, isn't that the lexicon in your utopia.
In this country ,we enjoy the freedom to pursue happiness , whatever that may be, within legal limits of course.
That happiness for some might be a $50k per yr job, for others, it's more, but each is free to go after what makes THEM happy.
We are not endowed with the guarantee of equal outcomes, although the current administration is doing its damnedest to try and accomplish that.
Equal outcomes, isn't that the lexicon in your utopia.
In this country ,we enjoy the freedom to pursue happiness , whatever that may be, within legal limits of course.
That happiness for some might be a $50k per yr job, for others, it's more, but each is free to go after what makes THEM happy.
We are not endowed with the guarantee of equal outcomes, although the current administration is doing its damnedest to try and accomplish that.
I didn't say that eitherIfly2 said:
Flaming Strawman #42 😉
Actually, I didn't say anything
The Tax Foundation people did
I would say here The Anointed One comes. wrapped in the flag, carrying a bible, promising you a (may e...) 2% cut in your taxes so that you will help the top 10% from 25 to 35%.
It's not at all about taking from the rich and giving to anyone, to me.
It is about everyone paying their fair share.
Jewish law, and Jesus, demanded more from those who had more.
Both also allowed for those who had none to spare to receive.
It is also about the public being manipulated so easily, and so cynically, by a few simple cozy, comfortable warm and fuzzies.
If he and the Tax Foundation are correct - and I think that is wishful thinking at best - Cruz' plan would benefit me more than 90% of the rest of the country. Those who spend nearly all they make just to live especially.
I'm all for reform. Blank sheet of paper reform. Reform where the actual tax burden is spread equitably and fairly, and budget reform to minimize the tax burden.
Just don't try to sell the idea that either party is nay more or less equipped, able or willing to actually do that.
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Let me ask you this....high taxes are bad...right? Which would you prefer...earning $100k and paying 10%, or earning a million and paying 55%. Me? I'd opt for the mil and be happy paying 55%. And I'd still net about $400k more than you. And that's if the tax I'd really have to pay was to almost double. But I'd still be happy.CMH_GSE said:
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Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz' father, revealed much about himself, his son, and their agenda in a recent interview with Christian Broadcasting Networks' David Brody.
He began with an anointing:
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz stumped in Iowa over the weekend, and his father Rafael Cruz was promoting his son’s possibly presidential candidacy to pastors and local Republican leaders during his trip. In fact, he said in an interview with Christian Broadcasting Networks’ David Brody that he told his son: “You know Ted, you have been gifted above any man that I know and God has destined you for greatness.’ And I started making declarations about the Word of God to him every day.”
He goes on to suggest that his son is destined to save freedom in America, and even Brody called Cruz’s political career “a thing of God.”
This isn't idle praise. The group Cruz and his fellow TeaBircher Rand Paul spoke to over the weekend was the Iowa Renewal Project, a gathering of pastors who were treated to an all-expenses paid weekend paid for by billionaires like Texas billionaire James Leininger, who was behind the big evangelical push to Rick Perry's bid for the nomination in 2012 and his runs for governor. Wherever Renewal Project David Lane is, you can expect to find billionaires in the background.
Mike Huckabee was the beneficiary of the Renewal Project billionaires in 2007 and 2008. It appears that the 2016 effort will be focused on Ted Cruz, and will involve mobilizing and plumbing the depths of the evangelical right to stoke enthusiasm for ultra-conservative candidates in 2014.
Rafael Cruz has some deep connections to the current movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation. That movement is really a rebranding of what we know as the "Religious Right", as they were called in the days of Reagan, but with a 21st century dominionist twist. Cruz was a member of the Religious Roundtable in the 1980s, an activist group of Christians who were committed to engagement in politics. He boasts in the interview of serving on the state board of that organization:
This was a coalition of Christians and Jews who was very instrumental in helping Reagan get elected. I was on the state board of the Religious Roundtable, so when my son Ted was eight years old, all we talked about around the dinner table was politics because I was so involved with the Reagan campaign. So during that time is when I asked him so many times, ‘You know Ted, when I lost my freedom in Cuba I had a place to come to. If we lose our freedoms here where are we going to go? There is no place to go.’
Rafael Cruz is a pastor with Purifying Fire Ministries founded by Suzanne Hinn, ex-wife and then wife again of Benny Hinn. The Hinns are huckster Christians, dealing in faux emotions and invented manifestations of the Holy Spirit at the most convenient and opportune fundraising moments. They are also smart enough to understand where the gravy train is, and so they've hitched their boxcar to the New Apostolic, or dominionist movement.
So has Rafael Cruz. He delivered a sermon in August, 2012 where he discusses how Christians should "take dominion over the earth." Cruz goes on to define what that means, saying "dominion is over every area -- society, education, government, economics..." That particular moment happens 1 hour and 12 minutes in, if you care to watch. It's instructive to see him deliver that line with dictatorial passion.
Dad did serve up a couple of interesting nuggets about a young Ted Cruz. Like this one:
Ted enters high school, the Free Enterprise Institute organizes a group of five kids, called them the Constitutional Corroborators, now Ted is reading the The Federalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, and each of the five kids memorized the entire US Constitution.
He did, however, neglect to note that the Free Enterprise Institute is a project of Texas builder billionaire Leo Linbeck, III, and that Ted Cruz serves as Trustee of that organization. He is in august company, with fellow trustees ranging from powerful Texas Republicans to billionaires and bankers. It appears that the junior senator from Texas has connections in high places, and that his high school passion has paid off handsomely for him.
At the end of the interview Rafael Cruz delivers the dominionist line as it has been rewritten by the billionaires who bankroll the Renewal Project summits:
So before my son left high school he was passionate about the constitution. He was passionate about freedom and free markets and limited governments. Before he left high school he knew without a shadow of a doubt what his purpose in life was and it was to defend and protect freedom and the Constitution, to fight for free markets and limited government, and it became a passion in his life. So this is not a trajectory of three years, this is a trajectory of 30 years.
It's clear to me that the GOP has made a decision about 2014 and beyond. Rather than engage people of color and try to persuade them on the merits of conservatism, they've chosen to focus solely on white people, and most specifically on the religious zealots. Rafael Cruz may speak with a Cuban accent, but his message is intended for white evangelicals to rise up and take dominion. In the end, it could be that Cruz is being used to fire up a small minority of hard-core Cuban evangelicals in order to propel Rand Paul into the spotlight for 2016, but first they will set 2014 as the proving ground.
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Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz' father, revealed much about himself, his son, and their agenda in a recent interview with Christian Broadcasting Networks' David Brody.
He began with an anointing:
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz stumped in Iowa over the weekend, and his father Rafael Cruz was promoting his son’s possibly presidential candidacy to pastors and local Republican leaders during his trip. In fact, he said in an interview with Christian Broadcasting Networks’ David Brody that he told his son: “You know Ted, you have been gifted above any man that I know and God has destined you for greatness.’ And I started making declarations about the Word of God to him every day.”
He goes on to suggest that his son is destined to save freedom in America, and even Brody called Cruz’s political career “a thing of God.”
This isn't idle praise. The group Cruz and his fellow TeaBircher Rand Paul spoke to over the weekend was the Iowa Renewal Project, a gathering of pastors who were treated to an all-expenses paid weekend paid for by billionaires like Texas billionaire James Leininger, who was behind the big evangelical push to Rick Perry's bid for the nomination in 2012 and his runs for governor. Wherever Renewal Project David Lane is, you can expect to find billionaires in the background.
Mike Huckabee was the beneficiary of the Renewal Project billionaires in 2007 and 2008. It appears that the 2016 effort will be focused on Ted Cruz, and will involve mobilizing and plumbing the depths of the evangelical right to stoke enthusiasm for ultra-conservative candidates in 2014.
Rafael Cruz has some deep connections to the current movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation. That movement is really a rebranding of what we know as the "Religious Right", as they were called in the days of Reagan, but with a 21st century dominionist twist. Cruz was a member of the Religious Roundtable in the 1980s, an activist group of Christians who were committed to engagement in politics. He boasts in the interview of serving on the state board of that organization:
This was a coalition of Christians and Jews who was very instrumental in helping Reagan get elected. I was on the state board of the Religious Roundtable, so when my son Ted was eight years old, all we talked about around the dinner table was politics because I was so involved with the Reagan campaign. So during that time is when I asked him so many times, ‘You know Ted, when I lost my freedom in Cuba I had a place to come to. If we lose our freedoms here where are we going to go? There is no place to go.’
Rafael Cruz is a pastor with Purifying Fire Ministries founded by Suzanne Hinn, ex-wife and then wife again of Benny Hinn. The Hinns are huckster Christians, dealing in faux emotions and invented manifestations of the Holy Spirit at the most convenient and opportune fundraising moments. They are also smart enough to understand where the gravy train is, and so they've hitched their boxcar to the New Apostolic, or dominionist movement.
So has Rafael Cruz. He delivered a sermon in August, 2012 where he discusses how Christians should "take dominion over the earth." Cruz goes on to define what that means, saying "dominion is over every area -- society, education, government, economics..." That particular moment happens 1 hour and 12 minutes in, if you care to watch. It's instructive to see him deliver that line with dictatorial passion.
Dad did serve up a couple of interesting nuggets about a young Ted Cruz. Like this one:
Ted enters high school, the Free Enterprise Institute organizes a group of five kids, called them the Constitutional Corroborators, now Ted is reading the The Federalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, and each of the five kids memorized the entire US Constitution.
He did, however, neglect to note that the Free Enterprise Institute is a project of Texas builder billionaire Leo Linbeck, III, and that Ted Cruz serves as Trustee of that organization. He is in august company, with fellow trustees ranging from powerful Texas Republicans to billionaires and bankers. It appears that the junior senator from Texas has connections in high places, and that his high school passion has paid off handsomely for him.
At the end of the interview Rafael Cruz delivers the dominionist line as it has been rewritten by the billionaires who bankroll the Renewal Project summits:
So before my son left high school he was passionate about the constitution. He was passionate about freedom and free markets and limited governments. Before he left high school he knew without a shadow of a doubt what his purpose in life was and it was to defend and protect freedom and the Constitution, to fight for free markets and limited government, and it became a passion in his life. So this is not a trajectory of three years, this is a trajectory of 30 years.
It's clear to me that the GOP has made a decision about 2014 and beyond. Rather than engage people of color and try to persuade them on the merits of conservatism, they've chosen to focus solely on white people, and most specifically on the religious zealots. Rafael Cruz may speak with a Cuban accent, but his message is intended for white evangelicals to rise up and take dominion. In the end, it could be that Cruz is being used to fire up a small minority of hard-core Cuban evangelicals in order to propel Rand Paul into the spotlight for 2016, but first they will set 2014 as the proving ground.
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