Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[luvthe9]

DAL buddies, eh? I'll bet that's quite a golf game.

"Put those stupid things away and just use my clubs. And why did you bring a $5 footlong Subway on the course. I'll buy lunch! I'll buy lunch!! Man, it's like golfin' with a hobo. When are you guys gonna get a decent contract?"

If you only knew, throw in my Contiental, UAL, AA, NWA buddies, the wives go nuts when we all get toghther, We were all college roomates 35 years ago, but we still have fun.

 

[Move2CLT]

Well you still wish them luck I hope in dumping ALPA, I'm sure they will do a better job than we have after all Delta did not get stuck with mergeing with a scab ridden airline with incompetent management like the east did. PS my DAL buddies are all in the top couple hundred and they want out, but again time will tell.

Of course I did. Not a big fan of what they did to us trying to keep you east guys from crying yourselves silly.

And they told me specifically one thing they will not allow is scabs volunteering in the union. Especially one that acts as the spokesman for the union.

Scabs working for a union - only USAPA would be that stupid. :blink:

 

[oscarjazz]

A lot of money to spend for pilots that land on a taxi ways.

Really??? You want to start that? No thanks.

 

[oscarjazz]

OJ,
Returning for DUB on fri. freq 123.45 was jammed with DL pilots talking about dumping alpa. I had not heard that anybody at DL was unhappy. Could you shed some light on this?

Thx,


Bob

Oh, did I mention we all got about $50,000 in merger stock and our DC plan is 13% going to 14% next year. We also averaged $350,000 per pilot in bankruptcy returns, not including another $450 million in PC-5 recovery, we actually got more money back from bankruptcy than we lost in our pension termination. We get full pay for any rotation cancelled due to weather or irregular operations, we have better duty rigs, we have higher per diem, we have more vacation. Yes, I could go on all day with this.

You seem to want to wallow in your pain and drive other people down into the gutter with you. There were what, two or three guys beefing on common about getting rid of ALPA. We have 12,000 + pilots, tell me how the math works out there. So I am very happy that you are not ALPA. Your MEC spent OCF and MCF money like it was their personal piggy bank. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK TO ALPA, at least until your extended hissy fit has ended.

Somehow, you think your life will be better by dragging other people down to your level. I do this job for the money. I also fly 767's across the pond, well all the ponds I fly to every continent except Australia and Antarctica, it's just I do it for $35,000 more per year than you, with a better retirement and more benefits. I was hired in 1988 and am a senior line holding Captain. I get another raise in January and we are gearing up for Section 6 openers in April.

At some point you guys will figure out how stupidly you have acted over the last 4 or 5 years, but you will have to find that out for yourself. Or, if my guess is correct, in short order your world will come crashing down around you as your management gives up trying to run this company and parts it out. In the mean time I will leave you all mucking in your gutter by yourselves. I refuse to waste my time trying to bandy about with people like you. Is that enough light for you, Bob?

 

[prechilill]

Oh, did I mention we all got about $50,000 in merger stock and our DC plan is 13% going to 14% next year. We also averaged $350,000 per pilot in bankruptcy returns, not including another $450 million in PC-5 recovery, we actually got more money back from bankruptcy than we lost in our pension termination. We get full pay for any rotation cancelled due to weather or irregular operations, we have better duty rigs, we have higher per diem, we have more vacation. Yes, I could go on all day with this.

You seem to want to wallow in your pain and drive other people down into the gutter with you. There were what, two or three guys beefing on common about getting rid of ALPA. We have 12,000 + pilots, tell me how the math works out there. So I am very happy that you are not ALPA. Your MEC spent OCF and MCF money like it was their personal piggy bank. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK TO ALPA, at least until your extended hissy fit has ended.

Somehow, you think your life will be better by dragging other people down to your level. I do this job for the money. I also fly 767's across the pond, well all the ponds I fly to every continent except Australia and Antarctica, it's just I do it for $35,000 more per year than you, with a better retirement and more benefits. I was hired in 1988 and am a senior line holding Captain. I get another raise in January and we are gearing up for Section 6 openers in April.

At some point you guys will figure out how stupidly you have acted over the last 4 or 5 years, but you will have to find that out for yourself. Of, if my guess is correct, in short order your world will come crashing down around you as your management gives up trying to run this company and parts it out. In the mean time I will leave you all mucking in your gutter by yourselves. I refuse to waste my time trying to bandy about with people like you. Is that enough light for you, Bob?

Outstanding post! It's a shame you have the best of intentions with these words, trying to show poor Bob how futile USAPA's efforts are and he can't understand what you are saying

 

[luvn737s]

Somehow, you think your life will be better by dragging other people down to your level.

For some folks, the only way to have the biggest building in town is to knock down all the others.

Unfortunately, the truth is that USAPA is helping to establish the "Market Rates" for pilots by continuing to drag out the seniority integration and delay contract improvements. Their "all about me" attitude is having repercussions throughout the industry and making everyone's negotiations unnecessarily more difficult.

Please thank them when you see them.

 

[BoeingBoy]

If you only knew, throw in my Contiental, UAL, AA, NWA buddies, the wives go nuts when we all get toghther, We were all college roomates 35 years ago, but we still have fun.

That must have been one big dorm room...from your statement I count at least 9 people bedding down together...

Jim

 

[prechilill]

That must have been one big dorm room...from your statement I count at least 9 people bedding down together...

Jim

 

[luvthe9]

That must have been one big dorm room...from your statement I count at least 9 people bedding down together...

Jim

No Jimbo, we were all in a frat house with some others kids, slept about 16 or so, fun times!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh...so they were housemates not roommates.

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

Frat boy mentality. A least we know where the entitlement thing came from.

 

[im back..!!]

Oh, did I mention we all got about $50,000 in merger stock and our DC plan is 13% going to 14% next year. We also averaged $350,000 per pilot in bankruptcy returns, not including another $450 million in PC-5 recovery, we actually got more money back from bankruptcy than we lost in our pension termination. We get full pay for any rotation cancelled due to weather or irregular operations, we have better duty rigs, we have higher per diem, we have more vacation. Yes, I could go on all day with this.

You seem to want to wallow in your pain and drive other people down into the gutter with you. There were what, two or three guys beefing on common about getting rid of ALPA. We have 12,000 + pilots, tell me how the math works out there. So I am very happy that you are not ALPA. Your MEC spent OCF and MCF money like it was their personal piggy bank. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK TO ALPA, at least until your extended hissy fit has ended.

Somehow, you think your life will be better by dragging other people down to your level. I do this job for the money. I also fly 767's across the pond, well all the ponds I fly to every continent except Australia and Antarctica, it's just I do it for $35,000 more per year than you, with a better retirement and more benefits. I was hired in 1988 and am a senior line holding Captain. I get another raise in January and we are gearing up for Section 6 openers in April.

At some point you guys will figure out how stupidly you have acted over the last 4 or 5 years, but you will have to find that out for yourself. Or, if my guess is correct, in short order your world will come crashing down around you as your management gives up trying to run this company and parts it out. In the mean time I will leave you all mucking in your gutter by yourselves. I refuse to waste my time trying to bandy about with people like you. Is that enough light for you, Bob?

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And to get that you threw your already retired guys under the bus, for your own gain...

Thanks a lot.....

What a legacy, you guys took the best pilots airline, and burried the retired pilots that made it that way... 🙁

You , my friend, are no friend of your retired pilots, nor any pilot that gets in the way of that self serving group...

I hope to never be a part of anything associated with the express union again....

Happy Labor Day, .... 🙂

 

[767one]

Oh, did I mention we all got about $50,000 in merger stock and our DC plan is 13% going to 14% next year. We also averaged $350,000 per pilot in bankruptcy returns, not including another $450 million in PC-5 recovery, we actually got more money back from bankruptcy than we lost in our pension termination. We get full pay for any rotation cancelled due to weather or irregular operations, we have better duty rigs, we have higher per diem, we have more vacation. Yes, I could go on all day with this.

You seem to want to wallow in your pain and drive other people down into the gutter with you. There were what, two or three guys beefing on common about getting rid of ALPA. We have 12,000 + pilots, tell me how the math works out there. So I am very happy that you are not ALPA. Your MEC spent OCF and MCF money like it was their personal piggy bank. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK TO ALPA, at least until your extended hissy fit has ended.

Somehow, you think your life will be better by dragging other people down to your level. I do this job for the money. I also fly 767's across the pond, well all the ponds I fly to every continent except Australia and Antarctica, it's just I do it for $35,000 more per year than you, with a better retirement and more benefits. I was hired in 1988 and am a senior line holding Captain. I get another raise in January and we are gearing up for Section 6 openers in April.

At some point you guys will figure out how stupidly you have acted over the last 4 or 5 years, but you will have to find that out for yourself. Or, if my guess is correct, in short order your world will come crashing down around you as your management gives up trying to run this company and parts it out. In the mean time I will leave you all mucking in your gutter by yourselves. I refuse to waste my time trying to bandy about with people like you. Is that enough light for you, Bob?

OJ,


Any chance that you are related to Prechill? Your response to an honest one sentence post is amazing. Thank you for all off that good information and congratulations on your good fortune in your career. Not likely I'll be back in alpa but if I am I'll be a migs as I was for the 35 years I belonged to alpa. I'll do just fine when this airline finally implodes.


Happy labor day,

Bob

 

[767one]

For some folks, the only way to have the biggest building in town is to knock down all the others.

Unfortunately, the truth is that USAPA is helping to establish the "Market Rates" for pilots by continuing to drag out the seniority integration and delay contract improvements. Their "all about me" attitude is having repercussions throughout the industry and making everyone's negotiations unnecessarily more difficult.

Please thank them when you see them.

It was a simple observation and a question which as usual you and prechill and OJ read way too much into and turned it into an east west thing I'm happy that Delta pilots make more money and life is so much better over there. It gives us all something to aim for if there is anything left of this place after all the infighting.

Regards,


Bob

 

[767one]

I certainly don't know, but why do I have the feeling that "every single time" is an overstatement? So if I understand you right, "every single time" you're running early, told to slow down (by dispatch presumably), are still early landing and end up late getting to the gate because of delays on the ground? Never running late to start with, never late getting into the destination airport, just to the gate? Not impossible, but statistically improbable.

I used to fly engineer and then fo for a captain who I kidded after I checked out. I'd tell him that he had his share of problems with airplanes and my share too, since it seemed that almost everything that could go wrong with an airplane happened to him while I had little go wrong. Maybe you're like him and have a dark cloud following you around.

Jim

I won't say everytime but several months ago I flew a flight to PHX out of PHL several times a week and we would leave PHL early get the tactical cost index message, be slowed down and s-turned for the last 300 miles, get on the ground early and then wait for a gate until the flight was late. More than likely that same flight is still late most of the time.


Regards,


Bob