Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Move2CLT]

Most EAST F/O's make more than west based on Longevity and years of service.

Factor in things like no pay for CXs and 1/2 scheduled DH pay (none for unshed DH) and your longevity pay argument sucks wind.

 

[ManDachine]

Factor in things like no pay for CXs and 1/2 scheduled DH pay (none for unshed DH) and your longevity pay argument sucks wind.

Last time I was part of a unsked DH I was paid 100%

 

[SparrowHawk]

You guys define egos. That's all you care about is the fourth stripe. So much so that you're will to fly the EMB yo have it. Pathetic.

There are very few professions where some ego can be an asset.

Would you want a surgeon to cut you open that wasn't pretty cocky and self assured?

Frankly I like it that pilots have a little strut in their butt, some glide in their stride.

However their is a difference between ego and arrogance. Little to much arrogance on these boards if you ask me and I'll include myself in the group who is a little to arrogant sometimes.

 

[Move2CLT]

Last time I was part of a unsked DH I was paid 100%

You sure about that. How about a pay report to prove it.

 

[ManDachine]

Sure, I'll go back 2 years ago and find it for you. I'm not picking a fight just stated that I got 100% DH. I guess they screwed up.

 

[cynic]

Well that explains a lot more than Wikipedia did and now I understand why you referenced it. I suppose I would have enjoyed that aspect of the story since I was once on each side of that kind of debate. When I was a young atheist, armed with just enough high school biology to sound smart, I would challenge my Christian friends with all kinds of made-up facts and what I thought were logical conclusions that proved that Carl Sagan was spot on that the Universe didn't need a Creator and rather "proved" that He didn't exist. I would pull things out my ..., well, out of the air like "gorillas and orangutangs have the same number of hair follicles per square inch of skin as humans so that proves we evolved from lower primates". It sounded logical at the time, but its not like there was a shred of evidence to support my rather absurd leaps in causal relationships.

Now that I have actually studied the scientifically verifiable facts, I don't have to pull things out of thin air. I know that my position on the veracity of special creation is fully defensible while those who hold to Darwinian evolution must, of necessity, choose to be willfully ignorant of the scientific data that exists. For example (and there are tens of thousands more), we know that we live in a cause and effect universe so that every effect has a precedent cause. Of course you can't have an infinite regression of causes or you will never have a starting point from which all things began as scientists once claimed. Based on Einstein's theory (now proven as a scientific fact) everyone knows that the universe is not eternal and that it had a marked beginning point. This is where the concept of a Big Bang came from. Of course the Big Bang Theory does not and cannot answer what preceded the Big Bang or specifically where the matter and energy came from for the Big Bang explosion? Any honest and reputable scientist will admit that there are simply no viable atheistic solutions to these first-cause questions. The only logical and scientifically tenable solution is that a "Cause" that does not exist in or that is subject to the same finite laws in the known universe, and who would logically be greater than all of the observable forces in the universe, had to be the catalyst which caused the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. There is simply no way to deny this need for a first-cause without resorting to fanciful and illogical tales that simply show how desperate atheists are to deny the implications of the facts that lead to a Creator that they willingly deny. One of my favorite quotes from a Harvard biologist that speaks directly to this same point but in the context of biological evolution is:

The difference is that those who believe in evolution are always looking for evidence to prove the theory and fill in the blanks. Meanwhile, those that believe in creation believe that they know the answer and that there is no need to continue the research. Since the existence of a god (or gods) can't be proven, it's illogical to state one side or the other as irrefutable fact. That said, I still prefer the course of action that results in a greater understanding of our environment and interrelationships between the creatures that have walked the face of the earth over the various interpretations of people who claim to have heard the voice of god. Most people who claim to talk to god now are locked up for their own safety, or hold an elective office. Two thousand years ago, they were called prophets.

 

[Pi brat]

You sure about that. How about a pay report to prove it.

If you are going to run your mouth 24/7 you should at least educate yourself. Scheduled DH is 1/2 pay-no-credit. Unscheduled DH is 100% pay and credit. Even with the half, it is often a good deal because the PNC goes above guarantee or the pay cap and the difference in the half vs. whole usually comes out in the rigs, which are also PNC. I made and extra 12 hours pay above guarantee in the last two months.

Now STFU.

 

[Move2CLT]

If you are going to run your mouth 24/7 you should at least educate yourself. Scheduled DH is 1/2 pay-no-credit. Unscheduled DH is 100% pay and credit. Even with the half, it is often a good deal because the PNC goes above guarantee or the pay cap and the difference in the half vs. whole usually comes out in the rigs, which are also PNC. I made and extra 12 hours pay above guarantee in the last two months.

Now STFU.

Its about time you chimed in. It was getting boring here. OK, I'm done with you.

BIt testy today, aren't we?

 

[OTTER574]

Factor in things like no pay for CXs and 1/2 scheduled DH pay (none for unshed DH) and your longevity pay argument sucks wind.

Something else that's overlooked here a lot, is the difference between the amount of vacation the west receives over the amount the east receives. I was talking with a west scheduling pilot guru about year ago concerning this. He showed numbers that if all pilots (east and west) had the west amount of vacation, the company would never have had to furlough and US Airways would've been hiring many months earlier for pilots going out on LTD along with a few early retirements long before age 65 kicks in.

Otter

 

[prechilill]

Now STFU.

You represent your pilot class well

 

[CallawayGolf]

The difference is that those who believe in evolution are always looking for evidence to prove the theory and fill in the blanks. Meanwhile, those that believe in creation believe that they know the answer and that there is no need to continue the research. Since the existence of a god (or gods) can't be proven, it's illogical to state one side or the other as irrefutable fact. That said, I still prefer the course of action that results in a greater understanding of our environment and interrelationships between the creatures that have walked the face of the earth over the various interpretations of people who claim to have heard the voice of god. Most people who claim to talk to god now are locked up for their own safety, or hold an elective office. Two thousand years ago, they were called prophets.

Proving the existence of God really depends on what burden of proof you subject your analysis to. If you say, "I will believe in God if he puts 10,000lbs of gold in my driveway tonight but will refuse to believe in Him if He doesn't", then I would suggest you really don't want to know the answer. Likewise, if you say you will only believe in God if He comes down from heaven or if He unmistakably presents Himself to you face to face here and now, then I would say your burden of proof is too high. Why should the God who created you be subject to you and your wishes more than you being subjected to Him? It is illogical for God to capitulate to us on these kinds of tests of faith because we are accountable to Him not the other way around. He sets the rules, not us.

However, if you have an open mind and follow the truth wherever that truth leads you without bias or prejudice, then I am certain you will come to believe that the only valid answer to all of these questions is that there is not only a Creator, but that He alone could have authored Scripture since He alone knows the end from the beginning.

To believe in theistic origins of the universe or in the stochastic biogenesis of life, then you are really believing in and relying on more miracles than someone who professes faith in God. In other words you have to believe thing like:
1) The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation of matter and energy) could have been violated for life to appear
2) The Second Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy) could have been violated for life to appear
3) That DNA could have been produced originally without the existence of proteins or that proteins could have originally existed without the DNA that produces them today (real chicken and egg conundrum here)
4) That the coded information sequence contained in DNA was somehow developed before the DNA of that very first spontaneously generated life form. What is the origin of information and how could information pre-populate DNA molecules?
5) That spontaneously generated life forms would have the ability to take in oxygen and nutrients from the outside world, have a system for eliminating poisonous waste back into the outside world, and also have the ability and expertise to replicate/reproduce itself before it died. All of these complex systems would have to have been simultaneously in operation in that first life form or it would never have survived pas the first generation.
6) That extremely small and rather irrational probabilities such as 1:40,000th power (a number with 40,000 zeros after it) or even much more unlikely probabilities happening on a very routine basis (winning the lottery every week for the rest of your life would be a much more probable outcome than what science relies on with evolutionary theory) in order for simple and then complex life to have formed
7) That the earth that has more than a 100 perfectly balanced factors which are required for life and all interact with one another accidentally came together (nuclear forces, the size and distance of the earth from the sun, the surface gravity of the earth, rotational period of the earth the axial tilt of the earth, the thickness of the ozone layer, and many, many other factors). A small percentage change in any of these and life would not be possible here on the third rock from the sun.

Well, there are thousands of other "miracles" which would have to have occurred in the right sequence and without negatively affecting all of the other factors if the atheistic propositions on the origins of the universe and life on this planet are to be believed. Its not like science denies all of these established facts, rather they prefer that people believe in absurd probabilities and in violations of natural law in order for their tale of "there is no God" to be believed. The choice is really yours to make.

 

[Pi brat]

You represent your pilot class well

As you and dreamin boy do. Just putting it in terms he can understand, as that seems hard for him. Notice he nothing to say about the facts?

Don't forget to look me up when you are ready to move to AVL. I'll even help you unload the truck! 🙄

 

[Move2CLT]

As you and dreamin boy do. Just putting it in terms he can understand, as that seems hard for him. Notice he nothing to say about the facts?

Don't forget to look me up when you are ready to move to AVL. I'll even help you unload the truck! 🙄

Calm down Pi.

The info I got came from an eastie while we were comparing work rules during a layover. I looked through your LOA 93 and when I was finally able to stop laughing I found the part about you getting 1/2 DH pay but it being scheduled at 100% (what a joke). Anyway, I'm going to ask someone I know at the company about the unshed pay. If you're getting something outside of LOA 93, it needs to be stopped.

 

[Pi brat]

Calm down Pi.

The info I got came from an eastie while we were comparing work rules. I looked through your LOA 93 and when I was finally able to stop laughing I found the part about you getting 1/2 DH pay but it being scheduled at 100% (what a joke). Anyway, I'm going to ask someone I know at the company about the unshed pay. If you're getting something outside of LOA 93, it needs to be stopped.

Oh please do. As a reserve I'd like to keep it half.

Moron.

 

[prechilill]

Don't forget to look me up when you are ready to move to AVL. I'll even help you unload the truck! 🙄

Thanks!