Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Move2CLT]

Oh please do. As a reserve I'd like to keep it half.

Moron.

I think its time you took another break from the boards Pi. You're a bit edgy.

Reserve? What does that get you? 74 guarantee and 10 days off?

 

[767one]

You sure about that. How about a pay report to prove it.

PI is right. Unsched dh is 100% pay.

Bob

 

[Move2CLT]

PI is right. Unsched dh is 100% pay.

Bob

I'll accept that as I haven't heard back from the eastie I talked to. I'm wondering if he gave me his real email address.

 

[crazystnic]

Great!! Glad you enjoy it because that's where you're staying for the foreseeable future...YEARS.

YEARS IS fine separate ops, pay raises in the upgrades, this place is getting ready to go balistic on the retirments....

 

[Move2CLT]

YEARS IS fine separate ops, pay raises in the upgrades, this place is getting ready to go balistic on the retirments....

Yep. All those FO retirements are going to do you good.

 

[crazystnic]

Its about time you chimed in. It was getting boring here. OK, I'm done with you.

BIt testy today, aren't we?

He is not testy at all... he is just acknowledging your total verbal diarrhea.... almost 300 posts and not much you have said this is intelligent.

 

[crazystnic]

Yep. All those FO retirements are going to do you good.

see below.. another no thought stupid post... we have plenty of left seat retirments in the next 5 years starting DEC 2012

 

[Move2CLT]

see below.. another no thought stupid post... we have plenty of left seat retirments in the next 5 years starting DEC 2012

Starting in 2012. And than many, many years for them to really start adding up. And until then, LOA 93.

Speaking of LOA 93, what's do you get when your flight is cancelled because of the hurricane?

 

[crazystnic]

Starting in 2012. And than many, many years for them to really start adding up. And until then, LOA 93.

Speaking of LOA 93, what's do you get when your flight is cancelled because of the hurricane?

we can live with LOA 93 to not have the NIC, we have made that abundantly clear.. You and yours keep trying to convince us otherwise, but do our actions not indicate otherwise?

see above, still approching 300 posts with not 1 intelligent one, you know the answer to your stupid question...

and for many this will be the last trip of the month and thus paid.

 

[nevergiveup]

Starting in 2012. And than many, many years for them to really start adding up. And until then, LOA 93.

Speaking of LOA 93, what's do you get when your flight is cancelled because of the hurricane?

Full pay as it is the last trip of the month for most. Hope this helps.

 

[Keroseneuser]

we can live with LOA 93 to not have the NIC, we have made that abundantly clear.. You and yours keep trying to convince us otherwise, but do our actions not indicate otherwise?

It's really as simple as each pilot looking at every offer we have seen from the company and comparing it with NIC and doing the math.

So far the east is better off with LOA 93 than they are with any offer we have seen and the huge seniority hit that NIC supplies. The change in the age 60 rule didnt help the pilot list merging cause either. most of the top 500 that the west guys like to bring up from nic should already be gone by now. For most east pilots implementing NIC would hurt their income more than sticking with 93.(as well as quality of life). Nic would probably be palatable if there were fences in place to protect the retirements from each side etc. But at present, to be blunt, I am better off with 93 when you look farther than 3 months from now. NIC would probably cause me to have to resume commuting, could possibly bump me to a lower paying position, would affect my bidding power for QOL and family time etc. (no bump and flush, but the loss of the retirement movement equates to the same thing for us) Even F/O retirements on the east is a huge help right now for equipment and base selection, NIC would negate even the benefits we get from an F/O leaving.

Is there a pay figure that would allow the east guys to vote for NIC? Sure there is, but you will never see it offered from Tempe. I am guessing that it would be in the neighborhood of 1999-2001 pay rates or a bit better, full restoration of vacation and bennies etc. But the west has never seen anything close to that kind of pay and Tempe will never agree to something like that. So here we are.

In short, the best offer we have seen is Kirby + NIC. I am better off with 93, so 93 it is until Tempe wants to get serious about doing something. This is what is discussed in the east cockpits, not who will be captain or WB drivers or whatever. It really is that simple.

 

[Move2CLT]

It's really as simple as each pilot looking at every offer we have seen from the company and comparing it with NIC and doing the math.

So far the east is better off with LOA 93 than they are with any offer we have seen and the huge seniority hit that NIC supplies. The change in the age 60 rule didnt help the pilot list merging cause either. most of the top 500 that the west guys like to bring up from nic should already be gone by now. For most east pilots implementing NIC would hurt their income more than sticking with 93.(as well as quality of life). Nic would probably be palatable if there were fences in place to protect the retirements from each side etc. But at present, to be blunt, I am better off with 93 when you look farther than 3 months from now. NIC would probably cause me to have to resume commuting, could possibly bump me to a lower paying position, would affect my bidding power for QOL and family time etc. (no bump and flush, but the loss of the retirement movement equates to the same thing for us) Even F/O retirements on the east is a huge help right now for equipment and base selection, NIC would negate even the benefits we get from an F/O leaving.

Is there a pay figure that would allow the east guys to vote for NIC? Sure there is, but you will never see it offered from Tempe. I am guessing that it would be in the neighborhood of 1999-2001 pay rates or a bit better, full restoration of vacation and bennies etc. But the west has never seen anything close to that kind of pay and Tempe will never agree to something like that. So here we are.

In short, the best offer we have seen is Kirby + NIC. I am better off with 93, so 93 it is until Tempe wants to get serious about doing something. This is what is discussed in the east cockpits, not who will be captain or WB drivers or whatever. It really is that simple.

Could have fooled me. That capt in the CLT crew news sure wasn't happy with LOA 93.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Could have fooled me. That capt in the CLT crew news sure wasn't happy with LOA 93.

Never said that the east was happy with 93. Just that it is better than anything we have seen that includes NIC by a long shot. So 93 is the best choice for us at the moment.

 

[prechilill]

Never said that the east was happy with 93. Just that it is better than anything we have seen that includes NIC by a long shot. So 93 is the best choice for us at the moment.

Agreed, we will have to keep the contracts we have for another five years. You guys can enjoy your right seat attrition and we will enjoy our left seat attrition.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Agreed, we will have to keep the contracts we have for another five years. You guys can enjoy your right seat attrition and we will enjoy our left seat attrition.

The east has lots of F/O's over 60. But the amount of over 60 Captains is very large and getting larger everyday. So yes, the east is content to endure 93 until the company wants to get serious about paying real money or the retirements happen. There is much more benefit for us there than there is from the peanuts in pay the company is willing to give in any deal we have seen. I dont think there is anyone on the east other than maybe a newhire that looks at the wast pay and says "OOOOOO Wow look at all that money" The best the west has ever seen in its existance is chickenfeed compared to what the east side gave up post 9/11.