Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[nycbusdriver]

Not disgruntled at all, made my best decision to leave that mess.

Come on now. You really haven't left "that mess" at all. You may not be getting a paycheck from US Airways, but you can't, absolutely cannot, walk away from getting your useless two cents in here. You are more involved in "that mess" than 99% of the people employed by US Airways.

Your head would explode if you didn't get to inveigh on "that mess" each and every day.

 

[700UW]

Typical eastie.

If you cant refute or dont agree, attack the poster and forgot the real issue at hand.

 

[Move2CLT]

Come on now. You really haven't left "that mess" at all. You may not be getting a paycheck from US Airways, but you can't, absolutely cannot, walk away from getting your useless two cents in here. You are more involved in "that mess" than 99% of the people employed by US Airways.

Your head would explode if you didn't get to inveigh on "that mess" each and every day.

What's the matter boo-boo? Basement flooded?

 

[A320 Driver]

And the East history is to cave and work, not many six figure flying jobs out there.

Exactly what East history are you referring to? I've been here over 30 years and I have never seen a 30 cooling off period OR a strike called by the pilot's union. If you are talking about contracts, then you are most certainly comparing apples and oranges.

Driver <_<

 

[SparrowHawk]

Exactly what East history are you referring to? I've been here over 30 years and I have never seen a 30 cooling off period OR a strike called by the pilot's union. If you are talking about contracts, then you are most certainly comparing apples and oranges.

Driver <_<

My guess is he's referring to the two BK's and the fact Jerry Glass best ALPA to death. Note the photo, Think of Jerry Glass as Ali and ALPA as Check Wepner when it comes to the labor negotiations that gave you LOA93 and no pension.

 

[700UW]

ALPA on the East property back as far as 1992 were always the first labor group to cave into concessions, during the first bk, you agreed to concessions even before US filed and the same in the second.

ALPA/Pilots have no backbone and never has stood up to the company.

 

[Black Swan]

Was the case overturned on the merits and facts?

Answer that.

Last time I checked clerks dont decide a case nor an appeal.

There were many things that came out of it. The biggest, was the fact the Nicolau did not have to be the methodology used for the seniority. Only that there be no harm. And the clerks did all the heavy lifting, on the merits of the case. The ripeness was huge. A defeat for the good Dr. Perhaps the best thing was a clear warning to judges that meddle and make the issue their hobby as Wake did. I am sure Judge Silver is more than aware that the 9th will not tolerate any judge getting involved in an internal union affair. That, was the biggest thing to come out of this. It is the unions decision on how to integrate, no harm may be done to ANYONE, East or West. Addington was a debacle for Leonidas, an utter defeat. Had they read Bill Wilder, they would have saved a big two million. You need to read it also, he is light years ahead of you in understanding labor law. Read the part about how Wake allowed a damages trial to go forward, Wilder clearly warning about it. The 9th put an end to the entire circus.


This decision ignores precedent governing successor unions under the RLA. It defies logic concerning collective bargaining. That one proposal violates the DFR doesn’t mean that all conceivable proposals do. And seniority rights can be structured in a manner to mitigate adverse effects for one employee group while retaining gains for another. Seniority isn’t a zero sum game and not all seniority proposals are created equal.

"Yet, this judge holds that just because the extreme proposal initially put forward by USAPA is unsupported by a legitimate union objective that there is no proposal to modify the Nicolau Award that does support a legitimate union objective (such as mitigating disproportionate ill effects on East pilots without depriving West pilots of gains under the award.)

This decision presents a restraint on the ability of union’s to negotiate. And the judge’s holding that plaintiffs may sue over bargaining proposals, not actual agreements, presents the danger that collective bargaining, particularly during unpopular events such as concessionary negotiations, will be bogged down in lawsuits ginned up by plaintiff’s lawyers who, as the court described the plaintiffs’ lawyers here, misstate law and facts."

 

[700UW]

How is it an internal affair if it is a three way party involving East/West and US and is in a LOA which is part of your CBA?

Lets see how you dance around this one, lol

 

[Move2CLT]

All four judges agreed that there was harm done to the west pilots. The only thing that differed was the timing of the harm (ripeness). That's it. The DFR, once Nicolau is abandoned or modified, is unquestionable.

Wilder? If that's sliver of hope is all you have then hang on to it. He's just another lawyer telling you what you want to hear so that you start dishing out some dues money his way.

 

[Black Swan]

ALPA on the East property back as far as 1992 were always the first labor group to cave into concessions, during the first bk, you agreed to concessions even before US filed and the same in the second.

ALPA/Pilots have no backbone and never has stood up to the company.

And now you accuse the East pilots of an illegal slowdown. In one breath you accuse them of no backbone, then in the next, you accuse them of a crime. You are a very strange individual at best. I certainly am glad you no longer negotiate anything for anyone. Your bitterness leads you nowhere.

 

[Black Swan]

All four judges agreed that there was harm done to the west pilots. The only thing that differed was the timing of the harm (ripeness). That's it. The DFR, once Nicolau is abandoned or modified, is unquestionable.

Wilder? If that's sliver of hope is all you have then hang on to it. He's just another lawyer telling you what you want to hear so that you start dishing out some dues money his way.

Here is "just another lawyer" telling you your ripeness case had no validity. Who was the fool who pressed on? This is the 2 million dollar (spent) question that should have been asked.......The real crime is the fact Wilder gave so many clues to the clueless. All for free, and the clueless didn't have the sense to listen to anyone other than the pilot -lawyers who led them down the path to nowhere with nothing to show. Just because Wake didn't know the law and gave the go ahead to sue for damage doesn't mean you shouldn't have done due diligence to figure out he was too stupid to understand the issue.








This decision presents a restraint on the ability of union’s to negotiate. And the judge’s holding that plaintiffs may sue over bargaining proposals, not actual agreements, presents the danger that collective bargaining, particularly during unpopular events such as concessionary negotiations, will be bogged down in lawsuits ginned up by plaintiff’s lawyers who, as the court described the plaintiffs’ lawyers here, misstate law and facts.

"The decision reads like this case became a hobby for the judge." Bill Wilder

 

[A320 Driver]

ALPA on the East property back as far as 1992 were always the first labor group to cave into concessions, during the first bk, you agreed to concessions even before US filed and the same in the second.

ALPA/Pilots have no backbone and never has stood up to the company.

Something like $9 billion in concessions and counting from the pilot group. Had we not taken the lions share of the cuts, who do you suppose should, YOU?
I don't think so. Our givebacks put more money in your pocket.

BTW, you are right... ALPA pilots have no backbone.

Driver

 

[crazystnic]

All four judges agreed that there was harm done to the west pilots. The only thing that differed was the timing of the harm (ripeness). That's it. The DFR, once Nicolau is abandoned or modified, is unquestionable.

Wilder? If that's sliver of hope is all you have then hang on to it. He's just another lawyer telling you what you want to hear so that you start dishing out some dues money his way.

Wilder is an elder statesman of contract RL Law and has a stellar reputation. He was (our) shuttle pilots attorney during the merger...
Nobody that is in the business or know's it would say he is "just another lawyer" except you.

 

[700UW]

Something like $9 billion in concessions and counting from the pilot group. Had we not taken the lions share of the cuts, who do you suppose should, YOU?
I don't think so. Our givebacks put more money in your pocket.

BTW, you are right... ALPA pilots have no backbone.

Driver

Do the Math, you make the most, and cost the company the most so you take the brunt of the concessions, and in BK II we in M&R had 46% of the workforce laidoff, that isnt chump change.

Also we gave over a billion dollars in the first BK and much more in the second.

Its just like taxes the more you make the more you should pay.

You wont get sympathy from any other work group, we all gave what the company asked and then some.

 

[700UW]

And now you accuse the East pilots of an illegal slowdown. In one breath you accuse them of no backbone, then in the next, you accuse them of a crime. You are a very strange individual at best. I certainly am glad you no longer negotiate anything for anyone. Your bitterness leads you nowhere.

I dont see where I filed any documents in court and accused you of anything, now did I?

And keep attacking the poster instead of sticking to the issue at hand, shall I invest in Kleenex, seems you east pilots have bought tons of tissues to cry about.