Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Iclubbabyseals]

ALPA on the East property back as far as 1992 were always the first labor group to cave into concessions, during the first bk, you agreed to concessions even before US filed and the same in the second.

The first concessionary contract in 1992 had a 10% concession that would be paid back, in toto, at a 200% rate the first time the company showed a quarterly profit, something that occurred about one year later.

The weak crybabies to which you refer were post 1995.

ALPA/Pilots have no backbone and never has stood up to the company.

The last ten years, that was true. In spades. I think those would purposefully pay the company to work here, just to "save" their jobs. Morons. Not counting those who "voted" for those give-away queens.

 

[700UW]

We as labor should have stuck together back in the first bankruptcy and maybe we would have fared better.

But back in 1992 when ALPA made a sweet heart deal against the IAM, it was done from then on.

Bad leadership in ALPA is where I lay most of the blame, employees were scared.

During BK II, on the M&R NC we had a split, we had those on my side who wanted to tell the people to vote no, the PIT delegation and one member of CLT were dead set against it, so the chips fell where they did.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

We as labor should have stuck together back in the first bankruptcy and maybe we would have fared better.

But back in 1992 when ALPA made a sweet heart deal against the IAM, it was done from then on.

The first bk was almost ten years after the 1992 IAM event, something your CBA did nothing to prepare the pilot's union for.

Your continued false accusations remind me of a Zen saying.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wilder is an elder statesman of contract RL Law and has a stellar reputation. He was (our) shuttle pilots attorney during the merger...
Nobody that is in the business or know's it would say he is "just another lawyer" except you.

Really? Is that why everyone is crawling over over themselves to hire him?

 

[700UW]

The first bk was almost ten years after the 1992 IAM event, something your CBA did nothing to prepare the pilot's union for.

Your continued false accusations remind me of a Zen saying.

ALPA made a deal with the company, they grounded all the DC-9s, MD-80s, 737-200s, F28s and F100s, the company didnt have to pay you, yet they did because your leadership made a deal as long as you ran across our picket line to pay all the pilots that didnt fly.

US wouldnt have paid you as your CBA stated they didnt.

Get real.

 

[700UW]

Wilder is an elder statesman of contract RL Law and has a stellar reputation. He was (our) shuttle pilots attorney during the merger...
Nobody that is in the business or know's it would say he is "just another lawyer" except you.

Yet USAPA didnt hire him, lol, keep grasping at straws.

 

[kubotapilot]

Do the Math, you make the most, and cost the company the most so you take the brunt of the concessions, and in BK II we in M&R had 46% of the workforce laidoff, that isnt chump change.

Also we gave over a billion dollars in the first BK and much more in the second.

Its just like taxes the more you make the more you should pay.

You wont get sympathy from any other work group, we all gave what the company asked and then some.

Spoken like another true bleeding heart liberal democrat. You forget very easily where the $$ that employ you come from comrade!

 

[700UW]

The passengers who buy the tickets, not a pilot.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

ALPA made a deal with the company, they grounded all the DC-9s, MD-80s, 737-200s, F28s and F100s, the company didnt have to pay you, yet they did because your leadership made a deal as long as you ran across our picket line to pay all the pilots that didnt fly.

US wouldnt have paid you as your CBA stated they didnt.

Get real.

Not true at all.

They paid the minimum, per contract. The company really did not want to.

I have no idea where you get your info, but you may wish to back up whoever is making this #### up.

A zen master was mentoring a student and they encountered a 'ho who needed a lift to cross a river. The master carried her across the river and deposited her on the other side, horrifying the student. For days the student railed against the master until the master finally said, "I left her at the side of the river. Why have not you?"

I have no idea what you think you experienced but I am sorry you are still carrying a 'ho.

 

[700UW]

The company did not have to pay any pilot due to a work stoppage.

And dont you think we know what transpired?

Your MEC ran to the company and said the IAM was mean after the strike to get us to remove our "Thanks for Nothing ALPA" Buttons.

Information came from your MEC.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

The company did not have to pay any pilot due to a work stoppage.

Actually, per contract, they did. No "extra" deal, as you so sweetly characterize it, was made.

In the face of contrary facts, you continue to maintain a fiction. I know it takes time for a person to realize they are wrong, so I don't really hold it against you, but, please, it has been how many years, 19 years, longer than nearly all of the west pilots have worked at AWA?

 

[700UW]

Better go read the CBA at the time, due to a work stoppage they DID NOT have to pay you.

 

[Move2CLT]

700 is correct.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Better go read the CBA at the time, due to a work stoppage they DID NOT have to pay you.

Sweetheart, "they" never had to pay anyone.

I have a copy of the contract in effect at that time and "they" would have had to declare an event which did not include a "work" action. Sorry, you are wrong. To your side, there was a lot of talk about "cutting a deal" but it did not happen as you say.

The MEC chair at the time says they were enforcing the contract and did not "cut any deals".

Drop that 'ho, please.

 

[cleardirect]

There were many things that came out of it. The biggest, was the fact the Nicolau did not have to be the methodology used for the seniority. Only that there be no harm. And the clerks did all the heavy lifting, on the merits of the case. The ripeness was huge. A defeat for the good Dr. Perhaps the best thing was a clear warning to judges that meddle and make the issue their hobby as Wake did. I am sure Judge Silver is more than aware that the 9th will not tolerate any judge getting involved in an internal union affair. That, was the biggest thing to come out of this. It is the unions decision on how to integrate, no harm may be done to ANYONE, East or West. Addington was a debacle for Leonidas, an utter defeat. Had they read Bill Wilder, they would have saved a big two million. You need to read it also, he is light years ahead of you in understanding labor law. Read the part about how Wake allowed a damages trial to go forward, Wilder clearly warning about it. The 9th put an end to the entire circus.

I see the man love for Wilder is still alive. Smart guy. Would you like to tell us when the Addington was filed and when your hero wrote his blog? Then tell us how your advice wold have worked?

People can always be right AFTER the fact.

Judge Silver has already determined that the DJ is ripe. Deal with it. Do you think that judge Wake is the only judge that has even had a case overturned on ripeness?