Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[AWE_SHUCKS]

Nobody - the "ASTB" loans were refinanced (that paid off the "ATSB" loans) and AWA carried it's share of the new debt until merging with US Inc when the debts were consolidated. You see, the ATSB only guaranteed the tranche A portion of the loans, the feds didn't lend money to either carrier. If you're gonna call someone on something, you really should know what you're talking about. Why do you think group borrowed more in the refinancing than both carriers owed on the "ATSB" loans.

Jim

hmmmm... Jim, you are too emotionally involved for some strange reason. Incredibly amateurish debating style, frothing at the mouth with always the same political bent, it undermines your credibility, because you are advocating,. You are well informed but present your facts in a political fashion rendering your arguments as rants. Intelligence is creativity, you are nothing but a selective "copy and paster", not an original idea in that melon for quite some time now. Good lord man , why are you here instead of spending your twilight out bangin the Betty Whites of the world who might be stupid enough to mistake your salivations and drivel for conversation. Your so f'ing boring, i mean really boring. Get out of here for the sake of all of us you selfish wanker. Fart. Pinch it off, ladybird.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Said someone who is obviously too emotionally involved.... How normal for the average east poster (with a few exceptions).

Jim

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

Said someone who is obviously too emotionally involved.... How normal for the average east poster (with a few exceptions).

Jim

Emotionally involved, wtf are you talking about, im just making up meaningless bull shite and you respond to it. step back, regroup and stop being such an arse, i swear i get two days older every time you post. i want you to figure out what went wrong in your career that brings you to this board. is it so hard to walk away from being a pilot that you have to hate your old group. its only going to get better when you come to terms with it. if being an airline pilot is the only thing that made your dick hard, than im sorry for you. its a job jim, and as flying jobs go, its an easy one. find some other reason to feel good about yourself and you will be able to move on, just because you are irrelevant here, doesnt mean you cant move on to another meaningful chapter in your life. thank you for taking this to heart, i realize you wont be posting here anymore because you are going to stop being pathetic and you are moving on, thats great man, i hope i didnt hurt your feelings permanently, i just feel that your presence here is ruining all the fun, your like the kid no one wanted to play with so someone had to tell him to beat it.....poor jim, good luck and we will always remember you here so dont feel like you need to drop in.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Emotionally involved, wtf are you talking about, im just making up meaningless bull shite

Like I said, the average east poster with a few exceptions. Doesn't understand that people can disagree so there has to be some dark, sinister purpose behind any disagreement with the hard-core east position.

Jim

PS - emotionally involved as in you're the only one throwing profanities around - or is that normal for you? The punk, pimple faced kid who can't say 3 words without at least one of them being profane. And you criticize my debating style....

 

[Res Judicata]

Wow. Just watched the CLT crew news. How depressing. Everybody but the pay parity cry baby seems like decent people. The Cry Baby can't seem to wrap his mind around the fact that his colleagues that voted for USAPA are the ones to blame for his paltry paycheck. Why is that so difficult a concept? The other thing I took away from the Crew News is i doubt very much the majority of East pilots can stomach another 2.5+ years of this. Especially given the fact that their Wet dream DOH list is VERY much in question. Can you imagine the East pilots wasting 10 years on this only to end up with the Nic award? That is by far, the most realistic result of keeping USAPA on the property. Parker gets it. 4 Federal Judges 2 agree The West's rights are being violated and the other two just said "not ripe" yet but left in a curious statement about the "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR".

All of this pointless, self inflicted damage....for what? I've said it before and I'll say it again.

USAPA HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY STAGGERING WASTE OF TIME, ENERGY, MONEY AND RESOURCES.

This Injunction is largely pointless. Even if USAPA "wins" this the company is just going to pick up a much larger stick and start swinging back. There is no "winning" this for USAPA. All of the exasperation, and depression in that room was thick enough to cut with a knife. Nevermind the fact that the LOA93 loss and the injunction haven't even been handed down yet. I can't imagine the negative energy that will ooze out of these CLT meetings 1.....2.....3....+ years from now. If I were East, I'd jump ship at the earliest opportunity. It's just not worth it.

Something is going to give sooner rather than later imho.

 

[luvn737s]

I have to agree with Jim. Why does your tribal loyalty trump the issues at hand? That tells me that even if the issues were resolved, the animosity would remain, supported only by some screwball sense of '"treachery" against "one's own". I wouldn't want to allow the location of my former crewbase to force me to accept arguments I didn't agree with, out of fear that I would be branded disloyal.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Why does your tribal loyalty trump the issues at hand? That tells me that even if the issues were resolved, the animosity would remain, supported only by some screwball sense of '"treachery" against "one's own".

I think it is the west who uses the excuse, "safety of flight" to deny cockpit jump-seats to east pilots.

Do you think that will magically go away, if, say, in some alternate universe, the lists were to be merged? Unless there is some overriding incentive, I doubt you will ever see mixed crews. Enjoy single aisle and sand in your teeth, at least until PHX is closed.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

BofA upgrades US Airways, Hawaiian, AMR


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- US Airways LCC +1.76% , Hawaiian Holdings HA +1.51% and American Airlines parent AMR Corp. AMR -0.03% were upgraded Tuesday at BofA Merrill Lynch. "Despite concerns that recent stock market declines will induce a recession, airline bookings in the past two months have improved from the prior two months," the bank said in a note to clients. Furthermore, declining oil prices due to weaker economic growth and a resolution to the Libyan crisis could shield airline profits from decelerating demand. Merrill Lynch raised US Airways and Hawaiian Holdings to buy from neutral and upped AMR to neutral from underperform. The bank added Delta Air Lines DAL -1.39% and United Continental UAL -0.96% remain their "top two picks."

Good news! Profits = good (need to re-educate the east about that whole economics thingy..

 

[cleardirect]

I think it is the west who uses the excuse, "safety of flight" to deny cockpit jump-seats to east pilots.

Do you think that will magically go away, if, say, in some alternate universe, the lists were to be merged? Unless there is some overriding incentive, I doubt you will ever see mixed crews. Enjoy single aisle and sand in your teeth, at least until PHX is closed.

Reality check. 90% of the east pilots fly single aisle airplanes and a majority of those WB pilots are F/O's. So other than that rare pilot you have the same fate as we do. Do you believe that PHX is not ever going to get WB aircraft? I guess your heads will explode when that first one shows up here.

Closing PHX? How? Separate ops we have min blocks hours so the company can not close PHX. We are protected. Under a usapa contract, not so much.

Parker says 2.5 years to settle seniority. A couple years after that for the contract. Enjoy LOA 93 until you retire. Damn living on LOA 93 BK contract for 10-15 years. That will turn out to be one of the bad ideas of the universe.

 

[cltrat]

the company doesnt have enough wide bodies to keep up in CLT and PHL, you think they are going to dedicate any to PHX?? and where are they going to fly to?

 

[cleardirect]

the company doesnt have enough wide bodies to keep up in CLT and PHL, you think they are going to dedicate any to PHX?? and where are they going to fly to?

You are right, US airways never had enough WB to matter. All of you scream about how you deserve to fly the WB. With the merger or without it most of you were never going to ever fly the WB. Pre-merger you had 19 WB. Not a big deal. Now after the merger the company has added 7 for a total of 26. From the latest bid you have a total of 2663 positions. 285, 767, 330 captains. But not all of those fly as 767 captain but 757 captains the same as us. A little quick math I figure there are 200 WB captains total. About 386 F/O's.

Enjoy boys. Just like the west a majority of you will fly single aisle aircraft the rest of your career. The only difference. pre-merger you guys were teased into believe that someday you would get there. But knowing it would never happen.

You guys keep dreaming of those WB's. Reality is going to set in one of these days. Ego can be a bad thing and if you determine your self worth by the size of your airplane life is going to suck for a lot of you.

 

[Move2CLT]

hmmmm... Jim, you are too emotionally involved for some strange reason. Incredibly amateurish debating style, frothing at the mouth with always the same political bent, it undermines your credibility, because you are advocating,. You are well informed but present your facts in a political fashion rendering your arguments as rants. Intelligence is creativity, you are nothing but a selective "copy and paster", not an original idea in that melon for quite some time now. Good lord man , why are you here instead of spending your twilight out bangin the Betty Whites of the world who might be stupid enough to mistake your salivations and drivel for conversation. Your so f'ing boring, i mean really boring. Get out of here for the sake of all of us you selfish wanker. Fart. Pinch it off, ladybird.

I love seeing facts get under these guy's skin. They lash out and it makes ms laugh. Nice work Jim.

 

[luvn737s]

I think it is the west who uses the excuse, "safety of flight" to deny cockpit jump-seats to east pilots.

Cite the examples by date and flight number.

Right after you quote the section of the T/A that promised each side their right to independently veto any CBA.

A jumpseater who refuses to abide by the captain's wishes regarding distracting union arguments on the flight deck could be considered a safety of flight issue, one which I am sure the passengers would support if they knew.

 

[luvthe9]

As time goes on, this is not looking good for the East bashers. It was very interesting to see the judges' face when Hogg was on the stand and the on time payouts were brought up. Looks like the judge clued in on why the moneygrubbers were so upset and looking for someone to blame for their operational problems rather that their own poor performance and jamming too many flights into CLT with the RJ mess. Add the construction, and Dr. Lee had a real problem making the numbers go the company way. Maybe they will take the attack to the west now, seeing the East guys didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Res Judicata]

As time goes on, this is not looking good for the East bashers. It was very interesting to see the judges' face when Hogg was on the stand and the on time payouts were brought up. Looks like the judge clued in on why the moneygrubbers were so upset and looking for someone to blame for their operational problems rather that their own poor performance and jamming too many flights into CLT with the RJ mess. Maybe they will take the
attack to the left coast now.

It is completely irrelevant if US Airways gets this Injunction or not. USLAPPY can't win this no matter which way it goes. Parker will just pick up a bigger stick. Your Illegal job action is not going to be tolerated regardless of what the Judge does or does not do. Although I think a PI is virtually guaranteed. Just as guaranteed your 190 guys will stay on WIC food stamps for the foreseeable future, all thanks to you and your scab-like-greed.