Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It is, that's why half the west people have new names!!!

And multiple ones and laptops at that!

 

[Move2CLT]

And multiple ones and laptops at that!

Whatever Claxon. <_<

 

[john john]

The Contract was abrogated, how many times do I have to tell you that?

All Airbus A320 family aircraft are overhauled in PIT, none of it is outsourced.

The arbiter did not award anything in regard to 50%, once again you have no idea of what your talking about.

We won the airbus arbitration, the CBA was A B R O G A T E D, do you not understand what that means?

The IAM Negotiated bringing more work back inhouse after the merger.

Once again you have no idea of what you post, why dont you get it?

Read This and learn

The IAM negotiated bargain with the company after the the CBA was A B R O G A T E D

And what happen to the 401k-company match that the arbitration awarded to IAM

All negotiated and bargain to the present language

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[delldude]

Since you're a big proponent of not letting facts get in the way, maybe you're ready to acknowledge the following facts.

During the cooling off, there were numerous incidents of vandalism of company aircraft. In several cases, individuals were caught red handed.

A friend of mine who was a DC9 F/O at the time got involved as a witness in one case. He walked onboard an aircraft and saw a mechanic, on his knees in the aisle, ripping out the wiring for the floor track emergency lighting. Suffice to say, there was no maintenance scheduled on that system. The mechenic bolted off the aircraft but my friend followed him and got his name. Later, he was extremely angry as the case against the mechanic/criminal was dropped at the last minute as part of the contract settlement.

Seth Schofield issued a company wide announcement at the time of the settlement which explained how distasteful it was to have to drop the cases against those individuals. He said it was apparent that there would be no settlement otherwise.

Since you claim to have been on the negotiating committee at the time, you surely remember this interesting part of company history. Yet we all know that you will deny, deny, deny. Drawing inspiration from your new career, may I suggest the Twinkie defense? 😀

Don't let the facts get in the way.

I say again, don't let the facts get in your way!

What did Seth Schofield have to publicly say about all the Management personnel with A&P ratings that were required to work during the IAMAW strike that failed the DOT drug screening? Several at Director and Manager level failed. That must have gotten Seth of his rocker.

 

[767one]

What did Seth Schofield have to publicly say about all the Management personnel with A&P ratings that were required to work during the IAMAW strike that failed the DOT drug screening? Several at Director and Manager level failed. That must have gotten Seth of his rocker.

We know how it works with management.....they just promote them and that would explain why we are where we are.

Bob

 

[delldude]

We know how it works with management.....they just promote them and that would explain why we are where we are.

Bob

In this case the guilty lost their jobs......but management directed their ire at the safety sensitive group who made mention of the legality of these licensed personnel working on aircraft without any screening.......IAMAW.

 

[700UW]

Oh JJ,

Here we go again, taking my post out of context.

After US exited bankruptcy they merged, US east and west AMTs came under one new Merger CBA, that is when the IAM negotiated and got a new CBA, not the bankruptcy CBA which abrogated the CBA and company gave the final offer.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh JJ,

Here we go again, taking my post out of context.

After US exited bankruptcy they merged, US east and west AMTs came under one new Merger CBA, that is when the IAM negotiated and got a new CBA, not the bankruptcy CBA which abrogated the CBA and company gave the final offer.

Hey AW, be a man and fess up. You never answered my questions. We, even Jimbob, know you were part of an illegal job action in '92. Fess up!

 

[delldude]

Hey AW, be a man and fess up. You never answered my questions. We, even Jimbob, know you were part of an illegal job action in '92. Fess up!

What illegal job action do you refer to??

Any illegal job action would be a violation of the IAMAW/US AIRWAYS contract and subject to resolution in a court of law the same as when USAir farmed out contractually guaranteed work to Mobile which was ruled in violation of the contract. To the best of my knowledge US Air never filed any action in a court of law.

You can prove differently?

 

[700UW]

He can't you know that as much as I do. We worked by the book, meaning our CBA, The General Maintenance Manual and the Aircraft Appearance Manual, would be pretty hard to discipline someone for working to the established procedures between US and the FAA.

 

[A320 Driver]

He can't you know that as much as I do. We worked by the book, meaning our CBA, The General Maintenance Manual and the Aircraft Appearance Manual, would be pretty hard to discipline someone for working to the established procedures between US and the FAA.

We worked by the book, meaning our CBA, the Flight Operations Manual, the Federal Aviation Regulations and the Airmans Information Manual, you would THINK it would be pretty hard to discipline someone for working to the established procedures between US and the FAA...

but pilots got called in, harrassed, escorted out of the terminal and sued.

Driver B)

 

[767one]

He can't you know that as much as I do. We worked by the book, meaning our CBA, The General Maintenance Manual and the Aircraft Appearance Manual, would be pretty hard to discipline someone for working to the established procedures between US and the FAA.

Yep, I ran into a mtc issue a couple of days before the strike. DCA to CLE, on arrival CLE a swarm of mechs met the aircraft, came to the cockpit and told us we had a skin crack in the tailcone area then left with the logbook. I made a phone call to moc and was told they would have to fax the repair info to CLE. One hour later the fax came in the fix?...a piece of speed tape about six inches long. It took an hour to apply the tape and then over an hour to sign off the logbook. Total delay over 3 hrs. We just made the curfew in DCA. Draw your own conclusions.


Bob

 

[Black Swan]

I'm pretty sure this doesn't apply. Pay close attention to the later part and the term "successor". I think this refers to the successor union during a merger. As an example, with my Fleet Service group the IAM was the successor for the combined work unit. In the pilots case, the successor was the same, ALPA. It was only after the merger that USAPA came in, and would not be considered a "successor" in this situation. Your assertion that USAPA is not restricted from negotiating the Nicolau award would be better addressed in your argument below.



I don't know if you're right or wrong in the end, but legally the last Judge to rule is the law. Appeals may temporarily stay or permanently overturn that Judges ruling, but is a Judge rules it's a legal fact unless and until another Judge (one I think that has to be higher up, but I'm not positive) rules otherwise. Saying "the Court erred" is completely inappropriate, as they are the ones that get to determine how the law applies not any pilot, ramper, lawyer, or anyone else.

In this case, the judge,Wake, did err and was overturned by the 9th court appeals San Francisco. This opinion was written prior to Wake being overruled and the case, Addington, erased.

 

[Move2CLT]

The merits of the case were sound and still are. Another judge agreed with wake. Two judges disagreed only on ripeness.

And if you're free to negotiate a new contract, why haven't you? Why didn't your pass you list across the table again?

 

[crazystnic]

The merits of the case were sound and still are. Another judge agreed with wake. Two judges disagreed only on ripeness.

And if you're free to negotiate a new contract, why haven't you? Why didn't your pass you list across the table again?

my gut tells me the NIC will never be the list and these two airline pilot groups will never be put together....

time will tell.....