Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[BoeingBoy]

It's called fences idiot!!!

If USAPA ever offers any that give the protection you speak of let me know.

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

F ya I am. You did it with LOA93 you'll do it with the Nic. That's what you guys do. It's inevitable.

And you guys dream of the 330 seat via the NIC every night. What a reach that is.

 

[Move2CLT]

It's called fences idiot!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

They were offered and the east rejected them. They didn't want fences keeping them from west upgrades.

Do you have your yellow highlighter ready?

 

[Move2CLT]

And you guys dream of the 330 seat via the NIC every night. What a reach that is.

Nonsense. Who wants to pay $50 bucks for a dinner on the other side of the pond? I've been there many times on my own.

But I do dream of the left seat out of CLT and it looks like it may be coming true very soon.

 

[mrbreeze]

Nonsense. Who wants to pay $50 bucks for a dinner on the other side of the pond? I've been there many times on my own.

But I do dream of the left seat out of CLT and it looks like it may be coming true very soon.

Good luck with that dream.

I do think the Cleary regime is over and I hope we all get some fair representation going from this point forward. But it doesn't mean that the NIC is on the horizon.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Good luck with that dream.

I do think the Cleary regime is over and I hope we all get some fair representation going from this point forward. But it doesn't mean that the NIC is on the horizon.

breeze

Sure it does. If one of your most radical stalwarts couldn't do it for you, who can. One of you easties referred to Cleary and his gang as the "dream team" that was going to crush Parker and get rid of the Nic. They failed miserably on both counts.

You guys have no one left. Kasher's decision should be out in the very near term along with the injunction so you'll have nothing left. You guys will be adrift for the next two years under LOA 93 while the DJ plays out. And, with the injunction in place, you'll have zero leverage.

You boys shot your wad and have nothing left but a mess.

Enjoy.

 

[mrbreeze]

Sure it does. If one of your most radical stalwarts couldn't do it for you, who can. One of you easties referred to Cleary and his gang as the "dream team" that was going to crush Parker and get rid of the Nic. They failed miserably on both counts.

You guys have no one left. Kasher's decision should be out in the very near term along with the injunction so you'll have nothing left. You guys will be adrift for the next two years under LOA 93 while the DJ plays out. And, with the injunction in place, you'll have zero leverage.

You boys shot your wad and have nothing left but a mess.

Enjoy.

pfftt!

You have no idea, DH.

 

[Reed Richards]

But I do dream of the left seat out of CLT and it looks like it may be coming true very soon.

Might be a dream come true, but for now the 190 is only based in PHL. Don't buy that Captain's house on Lake Norman, at least not quite yet.

I hope you are able to convert your PHX desert paradise home into a stunning lake view. Let us all know how that works out.

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

pfftt!

You have no idea, DH.

Really, that's your retort? Pfffft? I don't recall ever leaving you so speechless. I obviously must have some idea.

 

[Move2CLT]

Might be a dream come true, but for now the 190 is only based in PHL. Don't buy that Captain's house on Lake Norman, at least not quite yet.

I hope you are able to convert your PHX desert paradise home into a stunning lake view. Let us all know how that works out.

RR

Oh no no. I have too much pride to fly an RJ unlike some of your 60+ guys like Garland who absolutely has to have that fourth stripe. No, I plan to move my Airbus left seat from PHX to CLT in due time.

And not to brag here but my home was bought long ago and is by no means a fixer upper. I don't forsee any problem moving it in a few years. Lake Norman? Pass. I've got my eye set elsewhere.

And you guys will be the first to know.

 

[cactusboy53]

Actually there were many DOH mergers in the last two decades. The reason you do not here from them is because it was fair and did not cause ill will and pilots moved on. Do your homework.

Marty;
Name ONE US airline pilot merger since 1990 that was accomplished by both pilot groups that went by DATE OF HIRE:

1.___________________________________________________

Nice to see you back (unless you have more than one alias). I of course remain ever present & on guard.

CB

 

[D Summons a Seagull]

Marty;
Name ONE US airline pilot merger since 1990 that was accomplished by both pilot groups that went by DATE OF HIRE:

1.___________________________________________________

Nice to see you back (unless you have more than one alias). I of course remain ever present & on guard.

CB

Here is one. American Eagle and Business Express. There are more. Do your homework.

 

[A320 Driver]

Good luck with that dream.

I do think the Cleary regime is over and I hope we all get some fair representation going from this point forward. But it doesn't mean that the NIC is on the horizon.

breeze

I had hopes until I saw the results of the CLT BPR election. You had a moderate running against a staunch Cleary supporter who was the most hated CLT LEC rep we ever had at ALPA. The Cleary supporter won.

Maybe I shouldn't vote. I always lose.

Driver B)

 

[cactusboy53]

Actually there were many DOH mergers in the last two decades. The reason you do not here from them is because it was fair and did not cause ill will and pilots moved on. Do your homework.

Marty;
I got bored this morning while I waited for the grass to dry enough to mow. Here's what I found out:

Since 1988 the following US Airlines have been merged or acquired (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_mergers_and_acquisitions):

1988: FedEx/Flying Tigers - FedEx acquires Flying Tigers. Arbitrated decision. List is essentially relative seniority.

1990: Destination Airways (joint ownership of two very small carriers) - Used date of STOCK purchase to assign seniority (this involves AirTran).

1993: Southwest/ Morris Air - Morris is acquired and STAPLED to the bottom of SWA’s list.
1993: Conquest / Destination - Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

1994: AirTran/Conquest - AirTran interviews ALL, only hires SOME Conquest/Destination pilots.

1997: ValueJet/ AirTran - (VJ was the acquiring airline, but the AirTran name was used due to the VJ crash): Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

2001: American Airlines / TWA - AA management & the APA produced the “Supplemental CC” document that placed a small percentage of the TWA in the lower half of the AA seniority list, and placed the remainder were stapled to the bottom. No TWA/ALPA principles signed off on this document (paraphrased from a TWA/AA friend).

2005: AWA/US Air - Arbitrated decision. Top 517 AA pilots first, then blended all remaining employed pilots. All remaining furloughed AA pilots placed below the most junior employed AWA pilot (O’Dell).
2005: Skywest / ASA - Operated as two separated airlines. ASA may be integrating with the ExpressJet (acquired by Skywest in 2010).
2005: Republic Holdings / Shuttle America - Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

2008: Southwest/ ATA - ATA purchased for Midway gates & assets. SOME ATA pilots interviewed, SOME hired at Southwest.
2008: Delta / Northwest - Arbitrated decision. List is essentially relative seniority.

2009: Republic Holdings/Midwest/Frontier Airlines - Arbitrated decision. List is blended.

2010: United/Continental - To be decided.
2010: Southwest/AirTran - SWA has made one seniority offer. AirTran pilots have rebuffed the offer. To be decided.

Here’s the BOTTOM LINE: No US Airline pilot seniority list has been done by DATE OF HIRE for the past 13 years (I am quite sure it goes further, but go and spend your own time to research). I would also recommend that you read the Lee/Singer article on seniority integration ( http://lecgaviation.com/thought_leadership/Lee%20Singer%20Seniority%20Integration.pdf ).

USAPA's lottery ticket of DOH (to re-use a coined phrase) will not happen. Mr. Parker wants this to be completed. I'm guessing that with the court's intervention you will see the "Kirby Proposal" (w/ the Nicolau list as the seniority list) will again be proffered (according to Mr. Parker, it's still on the table). With enough $$, the KP will eventually pass.

 

[usfliboi]

Marty;
I got bored this morning while I waited for the grass to dry enough to mow. Here's what I found out:

Since 1988 the following US Airlines have been merged or acquired (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_mergers_and_acquisitions):

1988: FedEx/Flying Tigers - FedEx acquires Flying Tigers. Arbitrated decision. List is essentially relative seniority.

1990: Destination Airways (joint ownership of two very small carriers) - Used date of STOCK purchase to assign seniority (this involves AirTran).

1993: Southwest/ Morris Air - Morris is acquired and STAPLED to the bottom of SWA’s list.
1993: Conquest / Destination - Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

1994: AirTran/Conquest - AirTran interviews ALL, only hires SOME Conquest/Destination pilots.

1997: ValueJet/ AirTran - (VJ was the acquiring airline, but the AirTran name was used due to the VJ crash): Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

I understand an announcement will be forth coming with in 48 hours from Charlotte!

2001: American Airlines / TWA - AA management & the APA produced the “Supplemental CC” document that placed a small percentage of the TWA in the lower half of the AA seniority list, and placed the remainder were stapled to the bottom. No TWA/ALPA principles signed off on this document (paraphrased from a TWA/AA friend).

2005: AWA/US Air - Arbitrated decision. Top 517 AA pilots first, then blended all remaining employed pilots. All remaining furloughed AA pilots placed below the most junior employed AWA pilot (O’Dell).
2005: Skywest / ASA - Operated as two separated airlines. ASA may be integrating with the ExpressJet (acquired by Skywest in 2010).
2005: Republic Holdings / Shuttle America - Seniority is NOT Date of Hire, but specific details can not be found.

2008: Southwest/ ATA - ATA purchased for Midway gates & assets. SOME ATA pilots interviewed, SOME hired at Southwest.
2008: Delta / Northwest - Arbitrated decision. List is essentially relative seniority.

2009: Republic Holdings/Midwest/Frontier Airlines - Arbitrated decision. List is blended.

2010: United/Continental - To be decided.
2010: Southwest/AirTran - SWA has made one seniority offer. AirTran pilots have rebuffed the offer. To be decided.

Here’s the BOTTOM LINE: No US Airline pilot seniority list has been done by DATE OF HIRE for the past 13 years (I am quite sure it goes further, but go and spend your own time to research). I would also recommend that you read the Lee/Singer article on seniority integration ( http://lecgaviation.com/thought_leadership/Lee%20Singer%20Seniority%20Integration.pdf ).

USAPA's lottery ticket of DOH (to re-use a coined phrase) will not happen. Mr. Parker wants this to be completed. I'm guessing that with the court's intervention you will see the "Kirby Proposal" (w/ the Nicolau list as the seniority list) will again be proffered (according to Mr. Parker, it's still on the table). With enough $$, the KP will eventually pass.