Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Barrister]

My layman's mind figures that the company requested one of 3 rulings and the judge will pick one of 4:

1 - The company must use the Nic with immunity from legal liability
2 - The company can "negotiate" a different combined list with USAPA (capitulate to USAPA's demand) without legal liability
3 - The company is free of all liability no matter which they do
(Those are the three options the company listed)
4 - The company has to negotiate with no immunity for any law suits that follow ratification (i.e., the judges "out" and current situation)

#1 and the court has told them they have to use the Nic and given them immunity from legal action by the East. Unless released by the NMB, USAPA and the East don't have the "nuclear option" of a job action/strike but ratifying a contract could take a long time. West and the company win, but the end isn't close.

#2 and the court has told them to take USAPA's DOH list without risk of being subject to a West hybrid suit. A West DFR suit against the union is still on the table after ratification. The company wins, USAPA wins the battle but could lose the war in the inevitable DFR suit. So no integrated ops anytime soon.

#3 and the company has to decide what they'll accept, but know they have immunity whichever way they go. I have no inside info on which path they'd choose. The company wins, one pilot group wins the battle but USAPA could still lose the war in a DFR suit. No integrated ops in the near future.

#4 means the ball is back in the company's court - nobody wins the battle. The company has to decide which way to go without immunity (which threat is greater - West suit or East suit/work action) and face the prospect of 2 or more years of lawsuits following ratification of a joint contract no matter which way they go. Yet again, no integrated ops anytime soon.

In short, the company can be the only real winner in the DJ - they'll have immunity if the court picks any of the 1st three options. For East and West it's business as usual if you look at the big picture - ultimately the issue will end up back in court to be settled unless the court picks #1.

Jim

Wrong...if # 1 it gets appealed......and then goes where???...the 9th...they have already told you doesn't have to be the NIC....
.....the NIC is dead!!

There is no fool like an old fool....that would be you BB

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Move2CLT]

No Barri, the Nic is alive and well. The DJ transcripts prove it so.

If the Nic is dead like you say, why hasn't USAPA passed their list again? They have it ready.

 

[Move2CLT]

...and the east frustration grows

Sure does. You can see it in Pi's posts. Frustrated, short-tempered, name calling - all classic signs.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Wrong...if # 1 it gets appealed......and then goes where???...the 9th...they have already told you doesn't have to be the NIC....
.....the NIC is dead!!

I just assumed there'd be an appeal no matter what the District Judge rules so for simplicity assumed the Judges ruling holds. Otherwise, there's 3 options for each ruling the District Judge can make or 12 variations it seems to me.

Remember, the 9th said that it doesn't have to be the Nic as long as it doesn't harm the west "as they fear" - i.e. no more than the Nic. USAPA's DOH list with marginal C&R's doesn't meet the test.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Maybe he can show your post to his dog, a.k.a. the third party, so it can understand him!

So you maintain that that is a factual statement? A hint - we have no pets.

Honest: truthful, veracious - Webster's Dictionary

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

Looks like the CLT stooges posted part of my bad-eastie list!!!

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Pollo, quoting yourself is pretty lame. Especially since no one cared the first time.

 

[767one]

Hey Pi, you have enough left over in that paycheck of yours to cover these increases? How about you Claxon?

Actually it is a pretty good deal. My wife has been on IV therapy for about ten years. For several of those years the bills were 28,000/month. For the last few years they have been as low as 7,000/mo. I feel like we have made out ok. I don't even mind subsidizing the west pilots because they have needs also.


Bob

 

[Pi brat]

So you maintain that that is a factual statement? A hint - we have no pets.

Honest: truthful, veracious - Webster's Dictionary

Jim

No, that would be a joke as I have never seen a dog read and carry on a conversation. You haven't, have you?

 

[Pi brat]

Sure does. You can see it in Pi's posts. Frustrated, short-tempered, name calling - all classic signs.

May I point out that all those classic signs show up in your posts? I will admit that I get frustrated. Frustrated dealing with people like you, pre and.............................

 

[Move2CLT]

You've obviously confused my posts with yours.

You want great examples of signs? Look at your recent replies to Jim. You make a complete jackass of yourself trying to discredit his posts. I would laugh if I didn't feel pity for you. 🙁

 

[Move2CLT]

Actually it is a pretty good deal. My wife has been on IV therapy for about ten years. For several of those years the bills were 28,000/month. For the last few years they have been as low as 7,000/mo. I feel like we have made out ok. I don't even mind subsidizing the west pilots because they have needs also.


Bob

The only thing you subsidize is our profit sharing checks. Your low wages help the company's bottom line which in turn increases profits and puts more cash into the pool.

So thanks for staying on LOA93.

As for everything else, we negotiated or paid for that on our own. We tend not to throw money away like you east guys do.

 

[Move2CLT]

Your telling me rethink and put some intelligence behind it? That's funny. Actually you should probably take your own advice. Then again that wouldn't leave you very much to post then would it?

Sugar hater, take a rest. Your posts are getting to a point where I can't dumb down enough to understand them anymore.

And will someone take the shovel out of his hands! He won't stop digging.

 

[Move2CLT]

I'm surprised that I have heard nothing of these hearings and time off. I would think that this would be a major topic of conversation in the crew rooms. So far all I've heard about were the 2 firings for distance learning. Since you have such a good source maybe you would be kind enough to post the list. Then again maybe those given time off are just enjoying their time off.

Bob

I guess it's a hot topic now with the CLT stooges posting part of the list.

I would have loved to have put that here first - would have scooped them by a day.

 

[BoeingBoy]

No, that would be a joke as I have never seen a dog read and carry on a conversation. You haven't, have you?

I think you means sarcasm...or perhaps you don't understand the difference.

Actually a decent dog reads people pretty well. Conversation? Ya just gotta understand their language.

Jim