The Demise Of Twa

[Drippy Quill]

Here's an interesting article that pretty much spells it out...READ HERE

 

[acmech]

Whatever.

yesterday's news. Read it a few monthes back.

 

[Drippy Quill]

Then you have something in common, yesturday's news!

 

[acmech]

Drip, That last remark was uncalled for.

 

[Bob Owens]

Drip, That last remark was uncalled for.

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Dont mind him, he thinks he's witty!

 

[Skyhungry]

Read it a long time ago. Very biased piece :down: . I almost started laughing from the lack of research done by the author. Anyway old news. More pressing news right now so I'm not going to waste my time on this subject anymore. Happy Holidays 🙂

 

[Drippy Quill]

Drip, That last remark was uncalled for.

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Actually I thought you were the one being sarcastic and having the statement that was uncalled for, sorry man. 😎 As in "whatever" = wasted your time. "yesterday's news" = who gives a hoot...get my drift?...and Owens...compared to you, even Stewart is witty.

 

[acmech]

Skyhungry is right, happy holidays. I am off to greener pastures.

 

[Bob Owens]

Actually I thought you were the one being sarcastic and having the statement that was uncalled for, sorry man. 😎 As in "whatever" = wasted your time. "yesterday's news" = who gives a hoot...get my drift?...and Owens...compared to you, even Stewart is witty.

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Drip,
How many mechanics did TWA have when AMR aquired it?

The reason I ask is because I have an old seniority list from 2002, before you guys were added, and we had 14039 Title I mechanics at that time. Thats not counting you guys. The most recent list I saw was 11668. So not including the 2500 or so TWA guys we have gone down by over 2371. So from 2002 to the last undared list I saw we have gone down by 17%. Now, factor in TWA and the number of jobs lost goes up to 4871. Or around 30%.Now factor in the A&P jobs lost by the creation of OSMs, I believe its around 1200, The number of jobs lost goes up to 6000, or just over 36%.

Thats not all, consider the number of stations where the company by contract has to staff it with TWU employees but since the TWU transferred what was once done by mechanics to other workers and you can add another 2000 A&P jobs lost. THat brings the number up to 8000, or around 50%.

What are the chances of A&Ps ever recovering those jobs, especially those jobs that are still TWU jobs? Nil as long as we stay with the TWU. The TWU has already made it known that they dont care if the company eliminates every A&P position at American Airlines, as long as what the company replaces them with pay dues to the TWU. Thats one of the reasons why the TWU has been so hush hush about FAR66. The TWUs OSM program is one step towards implementing FAR66. No doubt the OSM program be cited by the FAA when they argue in favor of company issued, non-transferrrable liscences that are the equal to our A&Ps.

So the fact is that the TWU is niether saving jobs or protecting those that still have jobs, they are however trying to preserve as much dues flow as possible and if you are a TWU represented A&P mechanic your job is the most at risk. Once these jobs go to other classifications the TWU will never try and bring them back to A&Ps. However if we go AMFA we can always fight to bring work back and we dont have to worry about the union saying that they dont care if it ever comes back to us because they are collecting dues anyway.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Drip,
How many mechanics did TWA have when AMR aquired it?

The reason I ask is because I have an old seniority list from 2002, before you guys were added, and we had 14039 Title I mechanics at that time. Thats not counting you guys. The most recent list I saw was 11668. So not including the 2500 or so TWA guys we have gone down by over 2371. So from 2002 to the last undared list I saw we have gone down by 17%. Now, factor in TWA and the number of jobs lost goes up to 4871. Or around 30%.Now factor in the A&P jobs lost by the creation of OSMs, I believe its around 1200, The number of jobs lost goes up to 6000, or just over 36%.

Thats not all, consider the number of stations where the company by contract has to staff it with TWU employees but since the TWU transferred what was once done by mechanics to other workers and you can add another 2000 A&P jobs lost. THat brings the number up to 8000, or around 50%.

What are the chances of A&Ps ever recovering those jobs, especially those jobs that are still TWU jobs? Nil as long as we stay with the TWU. The TWU has already made it known that they dont care if the company eliminates every A&P position at American Airlines, as long as what the company replaces them with pay dues to the TWU. Thats one of the reasons why the TWU has been so hush hush about FAR66. The TWUs OSM program is one step towards implementing FAR66. No doubt the OSM program be cited by the FAA when they argue in favor of company issued, non-transferrrable liscences that are the equal to our A&Ps.

So the fact is that the TWU is niether saving jobs or protecting those that still have jobs, they are however trying to preserve as much dues flow as possible and if you are a TWU represented A&P mechanic your job is the most at risk. Once these jobs go to other classifications the TWU will never try and bring them back to A&Ps. However if we go AMFA we can always fight to bring work back and we dont have to worry about the union saying that they dont care if it ever comes back to us because they are collecting dues anyway.

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Bob,

Asking dripster about fighting for our profession is wasting internet resources. How can you expect someone who is afraid to post her real name when they make a post supporting the very union that they belong, while that union gives their jobs away, to actually fight for anything?

The twu... an organization where we have members afraid to post their real names because we like cowards, not fighters. 😛h34r:

 

[Drippy Quill]

How can you expect someone who is afraid to post her real name

Ken, if that is indeed your real name, I'd say you've been in Frisco way to much and way to often. Ken, which is a predominantly openly gay name, you seem to be hung up on the alias thingy in an effort to hide amfa's shortcomings (shortcomings, not meant to offend the gay and those named Ken). Get over it Kenny...come out of that closet you queen!


And Bob, currently I haven't seen any unions in our profession doing to damn much to bring us together and fight outsourcing. You see blame in the TWU, yet you openly agree that amfa reps the majority of the airlines, interesting.

 

[Bob Owens]

Ken, if that is indeed your real name, I'd say you've been in Frisco way to much and way to often. Ken, which is a predominantly openly gay name, you seem to be hung up on the alias thingy in an effort to hide amfa's shortcomings (shortcomings, not meant to offend the gay and those named Ken). Get over it Kenny...come out of that closet you queen!
And Bob, currently I haven't seen any unions in our profession doing to damn much to bring us together and fight outsourcing. You see blame in the TWU, yet you openly agree that amfa reps the majority of the airlines, interesting.

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Well I see that you have decided to avoid the question. I wonder why? Could it be that despite all your complaining about how TWA guys got the shaft, that more AA mechanics lost their jobs than TWA mechanics? By comparing the seniority lists we can see that 4133 mechanics that were working at AA at the end of 2002 are no longer employed by AA. However there are 1758 TWA mechanics at AA now. If there were only 2500 or so to start with that means that only 750 or so lost their jobs. So for every 1 TWA mechanic thats gone 6 AA mechanics are gone. Granted that all these job losses were not caused by the aquisition but its not like some here try to portray either. Of course this does not include the pending layoffs. But even if every single ex-TWA mechanic were laid off there would still be more AA guys that are no longer working here.

As for AMFA not fighting thats not true. They have conducted informational campaigns and lobby against foreign repair stations, but as you know, unity gives strength. At present the mechanics class and craft is still all split up with us in the TWU, CAL and UPS in the IBT, USAIR in the IAM and several non-union outfits such as Delta, Jet-Blue, Fed Ex etc. Then there are all the US based vendors where mechanics are employed. We need to consolidate and organize the rest of the profession. Until that happens, as long as we are all split up, our ability to see real advances are limited.

 

[Buck]

Well I see that you have decided to avoid the question. I wonder why? Could it be that despite all your complaining about how TWA guys got the shaft, that more AA mechanics lost their jobs than TWA mechanics? By comparing the seniority lists we can see that 4133 mechanics that were working at AA at the end of 2002 are no longer employed by AA. However there are 1758 TWA mechanics at AA now. If there were only 2500 or so to start with that means that only 750 or so lost their jobs. So for every 1 TWA mechanic thats gone 6 AA mechanics are gone. Granted that all these job losses were not caused by the aquisition but its not like some here try to portray either. Of course this does not include the pending layoffs. But even if every single ex-TWA mechanic were laid off there would still be more AA guys that are no longer working here.

As for AMFA not fighting thats not true. They have conducted informational campaigns and lobby against foreign repair stations, but as you know, unity gives strength. At present the mechanics class and craft is still all split up with us in the TWU, CAL and UPS in the IBT, USAIR in the IAM and several non-union outfits such as Delta, Jet-Blue, Fed Ex etc. Then there are all the US based vendors where mechanics are employed. We need to consolidate and organize the rest of the profession. Until that happens, as long as we are all split up, our ability to see real advances are limited.

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Once again where is the AFL-CIO?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, if that is indeed your real name, I'd say you've been in Frisco way to much and way to often. Ken, which is a predominantly openly gay name, you seem to be hung up on the alias thingy in an effort to hide amfa's shortcomings (shortcomings, not meant to offend the gay and those named Ken). Get over it Kenny...come out of that closet you queen!
And Bob, currently I haven't seen any unions in our profession doing to damn much to bring us together and fight outsourcing. You see blame in the TWU, yet you openly agree that amfa reps the majority of the airlines, interesting.

[post="203849"][/post]​

Now, now, drippy. You are showing your inability to stay on topic.

You still do not comprehend my point on using an alias. But your being a coward your actions are understandable.

Calling me a queen and suggesting that I have visited SFO frequently defends the twu's sellout actions exactly how?

Remain in the shadows of fear drippy. Continue to defend an anti-AMT organization called the twu. If you do get laid off I am glad you will not follow your job. Your cowardice should remain exactly where it is.

By the way, suggesting that I am gay while you remain cloaked in the blanket of fear you call an alias prooves my point about you being a coward. 😛h34r:

 

[Drippy Quill]

Shared sacrifice...it will take a seniority date of 01/03/89 to hold a job at MCIE in Title I mech...why is it that you guys aren't demanding to have the ability to help share this sacrifice?....is 16 years senioirty low man where you are at?

Shared Sacrifice...only when it affects you in a positive way...HAHAHA!!!