The Job You Bring Is The Job You Keep

[traderjake]

The job you bring to the merger is the job you should get after the merger.

Anything else, especially Date of Hire, is a windfall for somebody and is fundamentally unfair.

If your seniority number allows you to hold #1 737 reserve captain before the merger you should hold the same after the merger.

If your seniority number allows you to hold bottom reserve flight attendant before the merger you should hold the same after.

Seniority and longivity are not the same thing.

 

[N924PS]

The job you bring to the merger is the job you should get after the merger.

Anything else, especially Date of Hire, is a windfall for somebody and is fundamentally unfair.

If your seniority number allows you to hold #1 737 reserve captain before the merger you should hold the same after the merger.

If your seniority number allows you to hold bottom reserve flight attendant before the merger you should hold the same after.

Seniority and longivity are not the same thing.

[post="304146"][/post]​

Seniority lists will be integrated per ALPA/AFA Merger Policy. It is unlikely that a mutually agreed to Pilot Seniority list will happen and that it will fall to an arbitrator.

AFA is perfectly clear that DOH is the way the F/A list will be merged.

USAirways MEC has already rejected a proposal from AW MEC which provided DOH to 1978 and the 1 for 1 for the remaining pilots.

Seniority and longevity are not the same thing. Seniority is EVERYTHING.

 

[ClueByFour]

Seniority and longevity are not the same thing. Seniority is EVERYTHING.

[post="304154"][/post]​

Not according to ALPA.

 

[N924PS]

Not according to ALPA.

[post="304166"][/post]​

You are correct. ALPA Merger Policy no longer based exclusively on date of hire.

I stand by my statement however, seniority is everything in this business.

 

[Twicebaked]

The job you bring to the merger is the job you should get after the merger.

Anything else, especially Date of Hire, is a windfall for somebody and is fundamentally unfair.

If your seniority number allows you to hold #1 737 reserve captain before the merg


Seniority and longivity are not the same thing.

[post="304146"][/post]​

You are correct. If you brought a 1995 seniority with you when we merge, you have a 1995 seniority after we merge. DOH will prevail.

 

[xoxo]

I was just told that they are trying to staple ALL the furloughed f/a to the bottom. Can anyone tell me if AWA f/a's are fighting to do this?

 

[traderjake]

Do you think that someone who does not even work at US (furloughed) should be made senior to a F/A working at AWA?

For example, a US F/A is hired in 2000 and furloughed in 2001. An AWA F/A is hired in 2002 and is never furloughed. Who should be senior?

If this does go DOH any US F/A who bids into PHX or LAS should get a 9/27/05 DOH for bidding and furlough purposes.

 

[airportman]

Do you think that someone who does not even work at US (furloughed) should be made senior to a F/A working at AWA?

For example, a US F/A is hired in 2000 and furloughed in 2001. An AWA F/A is hired in 2002 and is never furloughed. Who should be senior?

If this does go DOH any US F/A who bids into PHX or LAS should get a 9/27/05 DOH for bidding and furlough purposes.

[post="304447"][/post]​

NOW IF A HP F/A BIDS INTO PHL,CLT,BOS,DCA,LGA,PIT ALSO GET THE SAME 9.27.05 SENORITY DATE.........

AND REMEMBER ALLEGHENY/MOHAWK IS THE US CONTRACT STILL ADD PROTECTION FOR THE US F/A'S

 

[traderjake]

Of course, the AWA F/A gets the 9/27/05 DOH for US crew bases if it goes straight DOH.

 

[Travelpro72]

If there is anyone out there that believes that the DOH policy will change, they are going to be in for a rude awakening. Not gonna happen. Opinions and fears can be expressed but it is what it is.... AGREED BY BOTH GROUPS.

 

[mdarules]

Do you think that someone who does not even work at US (furloughed) should be made senior to a F/A working at AWA?

For example, a US F/A is hired in 2000 and furloughed in 2001. An AWA F/A is hired in 2002 and is never furloughed. Who should be senior?

If this does go DOH any US F/A who bids into PHX or LAS should get a 9/27/05 DOH for bidding and furlough purposes.

[post="304447"][/post]​

You must be out of your mind and a TRADER!! I was furloughed in 2002 and still am - I am senior to anyone who started after me - furloghed or not!!! When I come back I will go in at my seniority!!! Remember AWA can't hire anyone after tuesday - we will be one company and if are furloughees are recalled we will get our DOH in the end - it is only fair - I started five years ago and if you think I am giving that up, well, you are sadly mistaken!!!

 

[xoxo]

I had 3 1/2 years at U and then 1 1/2 at the EMB-division...and if we win this court case...we may get our longevity from there too. so..if AWA thinks that a 1 year f/a at AWA should be senior to a 5 year f/a at U..You are nuts!! :wacko:

 

[airlinedivalish]

I was just told that they are trying to staple ALL the furloughed f/a to the bottom. Can anyone tell me if AWA f/a's are fighting to do this?

[post="304229"][/post]​

Well imagine this! A furloughed US F/A who worked 6 months as a flight attendant and got furloughed for 5 years and an ACTIVE HP Flight Attendant who has been active for 4 years (obviously the HP Flight attendants has more experience, but less years of seniority) Do you really think it's FAIR for a Furloughed US F/A who has 6 months experience as a Flight Attendant to get 5 1/2 years and bump the 4 year HP Flight Attendant? I think NOT !

What is that??? 6 months experience doesn't count as 5 1/2 years of service and experience!

 

[MOC A320]

It will all end up in front of a arbitrator and will probably end up DOH for active employees and all furloughed people will end up on the bottom.

 

[jetstewus]

Well imagine this! A furloughed US F/A who worked 6 months as a flight attendant and got furloughed for 5 years and an ACTIVE HP Flight Attendant who has been active for 4 years (obviously the HP Flight attendants has more experience, but less years of seniority) Do you really think it's FAIR for a Furloughed US F/A who has 6 months experience as a Flight Attendant to get 5 1/2 years and bump the 4 year HP Flight Attendant? I think NOT !

What is that??? 6 months experience doesn't count as 5 1/2 years of service and experience!

[post="305490"][/post]​

First, it is not obvious the the HP f/a has more experience. Unfortunately, experience counts for very little in this profession, US being my sixth airline and me having zero seniority to bring with me...that's the way life is...The furloughee thing is tricky....I think for everyone active...it's cut and dry...DOH should prevail....for furloughees I guess it's a matter of how you view it. Should someone who took concessions and then got furloughed be penalized because they didn't get to put in enough time through no fault of thier own?

Then again, should someone who has been working for five years be slotted under someone who hasn't just because of the day the other person got hired.

Due to the "fences" the HP people are so vehement about, I don't think it will matter much in my case...I will get called back when my US seniority is called back and I will get my date of hire....I have no desire to be in PHX so I think I should go ahead of anybody hired after me in PHL (my preferred base.)

I wouldn't be surprised, however, since US says if I'm called back I'll be at my 2.5 year pay rate, then I'll likely be at my 2.5 date of senioity. That kind of sucks being slotted in AFTER HP people who started after me and especially since US was not my first airline....but I guess they all want to stay in PHX anyway so it won't matter much to me one way or the other.

I don't think anybody is saying that a flight attendant hired in 2000 and who was furloughed after six months is going to get four or five years of seniority. That wouldn't even happen if there were not a merger. I worked 2.5 years at US and have been on furlough since 1/03. I do not expect to return with true DOH seniority. The HP folks junior to us by DOH might thank us for taking the concessions, pay cuts and dealing with the long unemployment so that our company and theirs can try to combine to create something possilby capable of battling Southwest and other low cost carriers, thus preserving positions for ALL of us in the long term.