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THE NEW F/A T/A - So what's the overall consensus?

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So I was just curious what the overall feeling was with regards to the new TA. I have seen from a handful of my friends that they once again were underwhelmed by it.

On a larger scale, what DOES the majority think about it?
 
underwhelmed? Wow. The only thing out right now is the HIGHLIGHTS of the Tentative agreement. Several key areas were touched on and IMPROVED. Raises, Scheduling, Crew Rest, Scope, Sick, Vacation, all improved.
 
Hmmm. I knew I smelled blood in the water somewhere...and here's your thread, lol. Shouldn't there be the usual poll of who is voting for or against?

Anyway, I shall ask you to notice two things:

1. The silence on this board is deafening.

2. The advice being given in terms of 'what to do' is equally deafening.

Remember how proud and righteous the no voters were when they voted down the initial offering? Now look at them. They are standing in piddle and they have nobody to blame but themselves for listening to the advice of knuckleheads who thought they knew it all. Remember all the stuff we read on here: " 'you wouldn't buy the first car you looked at', 'this is a concesionary contract', 'can you say concession', 'this ta is a pos' 'you never vote in the first offer " Oh and then there was all the advice from lawyers and everyone else in the legal and business world. All those friends who said the contract was awful and gave the advice to vote it down. Yes, I think you remember that and then there was a group of "new" same ol' same ol' union officers appointed to really em how its done? lol.

No look at this mess. We have a second offering that is worse than first and now the prospect of a merger looms directly ahead of us.

I was a yes voter from the get go and said so. Now, I'm still a yes, but not as enthusiastically as I was the first time out. There is some discussion as to why voting no might make sense in terms of list integration and so on, but if the merger protection scope clause in not in effect who cares!

Here's how things are progessing:

1. One group is insulted to the max and will vote no just for the sake of being mad and voting no. Mmm hmm. They're really stickn' it to the man! LOL These people I surmize are self punishers...I really wish they would exercise their self destructive ways in a way that is more personal.

2. Another group is voting yes, but are annoyed that so much more was lost in this "new" do over. These people are smart cookies!

3. A larger group of fa's are mad, really mad actually, but are going to go to the road shows to get a better understanding and to ask questions ala 'what happens if' These people are learning to think for themselves. The risk with this group is that they are still learning to think for themselves and thus, will likely fall back to asking for advice from the know it alls who told them how to misvote in the first go round. They are still easily swept away by the opinions of former union officers with axes to grind, business persons or most anyone with a title. Let's not forget adages about how to make a sound decision. [I find it hard to believe people really make important decisions based upon the adage of 'you wouldn't buy the first car you looked at...yet I'm certain these are the same peopel that believe in love at first sight!]

Stay tuned for the blame game...the membership at large of course is never to blame! lol.
 
I posted poll on fb group "wing nuts" asking the exact same question . So far like 40 people say they will take the companies new offer and only 4 say they would rather stay with the current bk contract .
 
thanks for the info!

Someone posted a reuters article on the AA page stating that Horton would make a decision in weeks re: merger partner. Ya gotta luv it. Like he doesn't already know.

Anyway, his public decision will really impact our vote.

Link; http://www.reuters.c...tionNews&rpc=43

Thanks again!
 
The summary doesn't look a whole lot different than the original. Having said that, I don't know what the "No" voters thought they were going to get the second time around. Just money shuffled around. People need to attend road shows, read the t/a when it comes out and make a decision based on fact and not the "band wagon". The t/a will never make every individual 100% happy...everyone has different criteria as to what is important to them. Ask questions and make an informed decision when you vote.
 
The summary doesn't look a whole lot different than the original. Having said that, I don't know what the "No" voters thought they were going to get the second time around. Just money shuffled around. People need to attend road shows, read the t/a when it comes out and make a decision based on fact and not the "band wagon". The t/a will never make every individual 100% happy...everyone has different criteria as to what is important to them. Ask questions and make an informed decision when you vote.

WOW! "Read the Contract", what a concept! What do you figure is the percentage of F/A's whole have read the contract from beginning to end? If that number is under 80% the grup will not fare well regardless of road shows and whatever AFA conjures up. IHow can one pose an intelligent question if they haven't read the blessed thing?
 
I totally agree with you..............those who don't read and ask questions have no room to whine and complain. It's like the ones who run around the crew room on their soap boxes blasting the company, blasting AFA, and when asked, "Well why don't you run for office?" "Oh well, I'm too busy" blah blah blah....become involved or keep your sermons to yourself. It's one thing to express an opinion, but another to orate about how horrible everyone treats them.
 
I totally agree with you..............those who don't read and ask questions have no room to whine and complain. It's like the ones who run around the crew room on their soap boxes blasting the company, blasting AFA, and when asked, "Well why don't you run for office?" "Oh well, I'm too busy" blah blah blah....become involved or keep your sermons to yourself. It's one thing to express an opinion, but another to orate about how horrible everyone treats them.
Amen., cost neutral at best, the HEALTH CARE INSURANCE are a huge red FLAG but good luck, DUI will deal especially with AMERICAN in the balance, make him pony up!
 
Apparently there is an ex Eastern (hopefully NOT a SCAB) from PIT on FB who prefers a DOUBLE BANKRUPTCY contract to the improved (shuffled ) TA2.

13 years at Eastern should buy him a much better position as long as he did not SCAB.

Did DE from PIT SCAB? I hope not.

Did you SCAB DE?
 
WOW! "Read the Contract", what a concept! What do you figure is the percentage of F/A's whole have read the contract from beginning to end? If that number is under 80% the grup will not fare well regardless of road shows and whatever AFA conjures up. IHow can one pose an intelligent question if they haven't read the blessed thing?

+1

"Read it all the way through. Then, when you're done, read it again..."
 
From FB: Terry M. Graf "Kurt I love you all but I want this Contract to pass so we can move on. I will never sell myself,my ethics, I am a carrier of information and want all of you to understand this is the best place for US ALL to be. I have 45 plus years and have negotiated many contracts this current Contract will take us to the big league.I support it but am going to listen without prejudice to those that are not satisfied."

Finally.
 

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