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THE NEW F/A T/A - So what's the overall consensus?

Oh Sir? you blamed me... and only me for voting down the last one... and now you got better and you were swearing at only me.. You sir are a Lozer... you got better... and now you have to kiss the 70 percent that voted the last one down...
Whom ever you might be... ?
 
From FB: Terry M. Graf "Kurt I love you all but I want this Contract to pass so we can move on. I will never sell myself,my ethics, I am a carrier of information and want all of you to understand this is the best place for US ALL to be. I have 45 plus years and have negotiated many contracts this current Contract will take us to the big league.I support it but am going to listen without prejudice to those that are not satisfied."

Finally.

Fascinating post. And all these years I've been hearing how US was "already" the big leagues! Hmmmm.
 
Oh Sir? you blamed me... and only me for voting down the last one... and now you got better and you were swearing at only me.. You sir are a Lozer... you got better... and now you have to kiss the 70 percent that voted the last one down...
Whom ever you might be... ?

I've heard more inane NO voting reasoning today.

1. " I'm voting NO until I get $60Hr!" Dream on and on and on.

2. "There is a second offer coming to us." IF there is a merger.

3. "Who is the Mediator?" Please how moronic can some people be - really?

I S*** you not. How stupid can people be without being a zombie.

Did any of the KoolAAide drinking zombies notice that Cathy Campbell and Terri Graf and Roger support THEIR own TA2.

For crying out loud morons, if you can't read you can at least watch a video, well maybe not.

How easy do you want it to be to acquire information.

Maybe you don't want info.

Vote NO and be stupid enough to WANT a DOUBLE BK contract.

Vote NO and get recessed just like the pilots.

Do you know what recessed means?

You probably don't.
 
View PostPITbull, on 24 August 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:
"Here is what he wrote about the new T/A for the f/as:

This whole union is #ucked up. – We have lost control – they replaced a narcissist with – idiots at the helm. Everything is so politicized (now International is soo involved/they are frothing at the mouth waiting for this ‘merger’- they see $$signs..hoping AA votes for AFA) –

…Many of us are exhausted fighting with them/screaming about issues to deaf ears. My vote is still no. They did nothing but shuffle some papers and numbers…but I expected nothing more from the so called ‘leaders’ at the table ...Joe Burns/staff attorney negotiated as those at the table were too stupid to negotiate or fight….I suspect C Austin was in the background somewhere…she has disappeared….- like where’s waldo…
We are hearing the same ‘ole ####…AFA wanted more..we could not get it….blah blah..AA merger..blah blah..protection for the West blah blah…
In 2004, we ( east f/as) were promised by our union, we would get what we sacrificed for this company back…we got a measly…what?? a buck and a half more than our 2004 top out date of signing (took 12 years to get this)..? paid 100 for sick but less accrual, no increase in vacation, a disparate CSD program favoring the more senior f/a, reserves seniority taken/no choice in trips at time of assignment if ‘the grouping’ is closed…separation from pilots, pref bid – got nothing for this..at all ( company making a bundle on this) – possible change in medical costs during the course of the agreement –at company digression…duty time changes for International to 18 hours – irregular ops – today – we go home and get paid for trip after 16…god there is so much more…It makes me sick. – the union even allowed the company to take back $20.00 for uniform cleaning(in January TA) – pay for training goes back to $75.00 – instead of ‘captured’ hourly pay (in January TA) – how friggin stupid can they be..?
We were not in section 6 – still in merger negotiations. – yes it has been 7 and ½ /8 years. –
Just cannot deal with it anymore."

Quoted from Bungeejumper ::
"I hope you shared the correct information with the person who emailed you, and encouraged them to attend the Information Sessions to express their concerns. They were incorrect on at least two items:
- "reserves seniority taken/no choice in trips at time of assignment if ‘the grouping’ is closed". Reserve FA still have a choice in trips. The Future Scheuling Award and Assignment section J.7.B in the TA says: "At the Reserve’s time of processing, if the grouping to which the Reserve belongs is Closed, the Reserve must select a pairing from her/his grouping, except as provided for in Paragraph 12.J.8.a.
Example: The fifth (5th) Reserve to be processed has three (3) AVL days followed by a Moveable Day. The Reserve belongs to the three (3) day grouping. At the Reserve’s time of processing, the grouping to which the Reserve belongs is Closed. The Reserve must select any three (3) day pairing for which they are legal."
- "paid 100 for sick but less accrual". This isn't a takeaway, the sick leave paid is an increase. See this from OurAFA.org: 54 hours accrual per year. (Current East is 60 hours at 70 percent pay; Current West is 45 hours at 100 percent paid only up to 75 hours. This produces a 29% increase in potential sick leave pay on the East and a 20% increase in potential sick leave pay on the West, plus the ability to carry over from year to year.)"

This may not change their vote, but at least they'll be voting with the right information."




Thank you Bungeejumper for correcting the uneducated, uninformed,non-roadshow going, non-video watching zombies who are so stuck in the past that they can't even listen to their own NO voting leaders.

Zombie No voters. There is NO explanation.

Morons.
 
What I would like to know is why zombie NO (recessed, DOUBLE BK supporters ) voters would go against the PHL & CLT LECPs who installed this JNC and now support TA2.

Are there any rational vs. zombie reasons to reject your own NO voter leaders?

PHL & CLT rejected TA1. They now support TA2.

They obviously understand that staying on the NO voter DOUBLE BK contract is just plain - stupid.

Why is it you would not line your bird cage with this POS TA2 ?

Are they wrong or are you just an out of touch zombie?
 
It appears some of the Zombie enablers are getting fatigued.

Imagine a Union Reserve Officer in PHL undermining THEIR own TA2.

Sorry to see Laura go.

Sara C., what are you doing?

Are you for YOUR NO voter leaders or are you for a DOUBLE BK contract?

Yeah I know, the DOUBLE BK contract.

WP is a cesspool.

Congratulate yourself - our PHL Reserve Chair.
 
Where are TG (PHL) & CC (CLT) when the the shite hits the fan?

They are just Coverering Thier A**** depending which way the vote goes?

For TG to claim to to be a a repocitory of knwledge with no say is not what she is getting paid for.

TG and CC put the new MEC president in place. This is thier JNC!

If you can't show support for YOUR own JNC then YOU need to retire.

TG & CC will own the the results of this. This vote will be thier legacy.

If you refuse to support your junior officers in thier effort to carry out what YOUR JNC negotiated then YOUR days are numbered.

It must be nice to have Roger to blame for any blow back, especially since you put him in the position of MECP.

It's always nice to have someone else to blame for YOUR failures.

I wonder how Roger thinks about your double dealings.

TG posts sweet nothings on the "Yes" website but nothing on WP to dispell the rumours shows a distinct lack of leadership.

TG is showing leadership by disappearing - take reponsibilty for your actions. Say what you think or suport YOUR people decision.

Silence on your part creates suspicion about your motives.

The people under TG are getting tired of the lack of leadership and volume of SILENCE and need TG to start carrying her share of the load. Say YES say NO but stop being "Neutral" which means NO like the last time. Remember, it's YOUR TA now.

Could it be TG is already retired and is leaving everyone else twisting in the wind - TG & CC's people are responsible for TA2.

Take respnsibilty for it or come out and say NO.

Crap posted by TG like: "your going to like it" & "or not"

This is just plain old CYA.

TG & CC you are responsible for TA2 - take credit where credit is due.

TG & CC's lack of leadership is glaring.

pITbULL was right.

MM - Mental Midget! - MM
 
Does TG have enough guts to come out and support her officers for what she SHOULD be doing?

It appears not.

Where are you BajaBabe?

This is YOUR TA2.

Why are you so silent?

Defend YOUR decisions.

Oh yeah, we don't know what they are because you are letting it ALL fall on Roger.

You will OWN this and it will be your legacy, a legacy of ducking the hard issues.

TG (BajaBabe)- you are running scared and can't make a decision while working those under you through the mill, TWICE!

Retirement would be the best explanation for your actions and maybe a good idea for you.

Maybe you'll end up carping from the sidelines like pITbULL.

Wouldn't that be ironic.

It seems your already retired.

You need to be replaced due to lack of leadership.

MM - Moron as a Major - MM
 
BE CAREFUL-------Another night of a BINGER?, followed by a drunken rant, get some help with those anger issues, or hormones, you are probably your typical middle age my guess overweight passed your prime,need some midnight(can't get it) luv'n F/A. Call EAP they can get you some phone numbers seriously!
 
BE CAREFUL-------Another night of a BINGER?, followed by a drunken rant, get some help with those anger issues, or hormones

I'd ask if that's what helped you with your issues, but since you still have those issues maybe you should take your own advice before lecturing others....

Jim
 

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