"Thrilla..in Manila "...........(Political style)

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Well as promised, I'm baaaaack(after the OH/TX primary)

I've got to tell you, fellow "coolers", that what I watched tonite, as the Primary results trickled in, was a Political Version of ALI/Frazer..(the thriller in Manila) !!!!!!

Since the start, this has been like a Horse race, where Obama has...broke on top from the starting gate.......Has set "the pace",........and "to this point", has not had another horse pull up even with him !

But after tonite, I see Hillary having made up a LOT of lost ground, and now about a "neck" just behind Barack, and for the time being, content to stay just behind him, as he exerts a TON of Energy to maintain his Lead.

Maybe I've watched too much of these pundits(in this case MSNBC is my "vice" of choice), but what I did see that was VERY Impressive, is the almost 60% majority that she beat BO in, in OHIO !

While Barack LEADS in (to date) total regular delegates, its obvious that this is a result of him winning a few more states than HC. But deeper analysis shows that HC is winning the Heavy Duty states like MA/NY/NJ/OH/TX/CA/, and in non eligible states like FL and MI.

The results in Ohio were Enormous for her, in a state that Barack should have done MUCH better than he did !
OHIO, who has picked the POTUS in the general election, for as long back as I can remember, has/IS making it PERFECTLY CLEAR, that (by far) their # 1 concern is....the ECONOMY.

Between the the Finalists, Hillary by far talks MORE about the Economy. John McCain talk the least about the ECONOMY(not that I blame johnny Mac, because being a REP, and NOW going to be Publicly Endorsed By EL-CHIMPO, in the Rose Garden Tomorrow(at a lunch) will be the "KISS of DEATH" for Johnny Mac, especially in OHIO.

Soooooo,

Let me cut to the chase, and make the following predictions,

HILLARY CLINTON will be the next POTUS
and
OHIO will (this time) go BLUE !

(Now where did I hear this slogan before, that keeps rattling in my ol' head) ??

"IT's the ECONOMY STUPID"

Hillary/Richardson 08'

 

[American Air Surf]

Well as promised, I'm baaaaack(after the OH/TX primary)

I've got to tell you, fellow "coolers", that what I watched tonite, as the Primary results trickled in, was a Political Version of ALI/Frazer..(the thriller in Manila) !!!!!!

Since the start, this has been like a Horse race, where Obama has...broke on top from the starting gate.......Has set "the pace",........and "to this point", has not had another horse pull up even with him !

But after tonite, I see Hillary having made up a LOT of lost ground, and now about a "neck" just behind Barack, and for the time being, content to stay just behind him, as he exerts a TON of Energy to maintain his Lead.

Maybe I've watched too much of these pundits(in this case MSNBC is my "vice" of choice), but what I did see that was VERY Impressive, is the almost 60% majority that she beat BO in, in OHIO !

While Barack LEADS in (to date) total regular delegates, its obvious that this is a result of him winning a few more states than HC. But deeper analysis shows that HC is winning the Heavy Duty states like MA/NY/NJ/OH/TX/CA/, and in non eligible states like FL and MI.

The results in Ohio were Enormous for her, in a state that Barack should have done MUCH better than he did !
OHIO, who has picked the POTUS in the general election, for as long back as I can remember, has/IS making it PERFECTLY CLEAR, that (by far) their # 1 concern is....the ECONOMY.

Between the the Finalists, Hillary by far talks MORE about the Economy. John McCain talk the least about the ECONOMY(not that I blame johnny Mac, because being a REP, and NOW going to be Publicly Endorsed By EL-CHIMPO, in the Rose Garden Tomorrow(at a lunch) will be the "KISS of DEATH" for Johnny Mac, especially in OHIO.

Soooooo,

Let me cut to the chase, and make the following predictions,

HILLARY CLINTON will be the next POTUS
and
OHIO will (this time) go BLUE !

(Now where did I hear this slogan before, that keeps rattling in my ol' head) ??

"IT's the ECONOMY STUPID"

Hillary/Richardson 08'

Well, Bear- I hate to disappoint. Clinton, Him/Her (High Crimes & Misdemeanor(s) ..Monica ! Had nothing to do with the economy when in office (Did I hear Tech/Bubble?) He and her have everything to do with NAFTA, which equates to WTO (GATT signed into law in 1948, by Truman). It was Mr. Clinton, that singed NAFTA into law, (although, started under H.W. Bush) which equates to U.S. Jobs being sent overseas.

As you can see the Democratics & Republincans are in this together, they just want to make you "think" they are a horse of a different color. Take a look at this site, it might just change your mind...


http://www.economyincrisis.org/?content=ei...CFQJbSgodGWA0rQ

Now if the politicians can't answer some of the questions here, BEFORE they get into office, they have no answer, and no, fix for what ailes the U.S. Economy. I am sure very "few" people are even aware of what our government has agreed to, in violation of the U.S. Constitution, (Free Trade (WTO) Hmmm, Does that even exsist anymore? :blink:

The only candidate that has it right is Ron Paul. Unfortunately, if he won the presidency, he would be assiginated. To many people in high places would be loosing all those "fiat" U.S. Dollar(s), becasue under Paul, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve would cease to exist, (Hmm, we won't talk about the 16th Amendment, Federal Reserve Act, and non-resident aliens, who are really the only ones prescribed by law to have Federal Taxes taken from their pay. Unfortunately, the powers that be (judicial), will never let that domino fall, regardless of the LAW that is on the books...

Read the book- The Creature from Jekyll Island h34r:

 

[700UW]

Wrong, Bush the first negotiatied and signed NAFTA, not Clinton.

NAFTA was initially pursued by corporate interest[citation needed] in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992, subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries. In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority in 1993. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House of Representatives passed NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by 234-200 vote (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor; 43 Republicans, 156 Democrats, and 1 independent against),[6] and the U.S. Senate passed it on the last day of its 1993 session, November 20, 1993, by 61-38 vote (34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor; 10 Republicans and 28 Democrats against, with 1 Democrat opponent not voting -- Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), an ardent foe of NAFTA, missed the vote because of an illness in his family).[7]

 

[delldude]

Clinton got it passed...its his 500 pound canary.

 

[tech2101]

Wrong, Bush the first negotiatied and signed NAFTA, not Clinton.

Wrong. It was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA into law.

Video of Clinton signing NAFTA into law is here.

 

[delldude]

Wrong. It was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA into law.

Video of Clinton signing NAFTA into law is here.

Just the facts........

 

[Veritas]

Wrong. It was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA into law.

Video of Clinton signing NAFTA into law is here.

NAFTA is a treaty not a law. It was negotiated by President George H. W. Bush and ratified by congress while Bill Clinton was president.

 

[700UW]

The treaty was negotiated and signed by Bush the first.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Well fellow "coolers", as I mentioned earlier;

"It's the ECONOMY STUPID"

It almost seems like that......................A Bush is in office, when the Economy "GOES SOUTH", then a CLINTON comes in, and the Economy "GOES NORTH".

History I believe, is about to repeat itself !

MANY THANKS.......................EL-CHIMPO, ........................it was worth the wait

 

[delldude]

NAFTA is a treaty not a law. It was negotiated by President George H. W. Bush and ratified by congress while Bill Clinton was president.

Duh



Public Law 103-182

H.R.3450 As finally approved by the House and Senate (Enrolled)
________________________________________

One Hundred THIRD Congress of the United States of America

AT THE FIRST SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the fifth day of January, one thousand nine hundred and ninety-three

An Act To implement the North American Free Trade Agreement

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.

SUMMARY
H.R. 3450, the "North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act," approves the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) transmitted by the President to the Congress on November 4, 1993. The draft bill contains in six titles the provisions which are necessary or appropriate to implement the Agreement in U.S. domestic law.
Sections 1 and 2 set forth the short title, a table of contents, and definitions of terms used in the Act.

Signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton

 

[Veritas]

Signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton

Do you actually read what you link to your posts?

The North American Free Trade Agreement submitted to the Congress by the President for approval on November 4, 1993, is the culmination of an initiative launched over three years ago. In a Joint Statement issued in Washington on June 11, 1990, President Salinas and President Bush endorsed the objective of a free trade agreement as the best means for attaining the agreed objectives of a vigorous economic relationship, maintaining sustained growth, and expanding trade and investment between the two countries. The Presidents directed their respective trade ministers to undertake consultations and to do the preparatory work needed to initiate negotiations on such an agreement, and to report back to them as soon as practicable.

On August 8, 1990, the U.S. Trade Representative, Carla A. Hills, and the Mexican Secretary for Commerce and Industrial Development, Jaime Serra Puche, jointly recommended to the Presidents the initiation of formal negotiations, in accordance with each country's domestic laws, on a comprehensive free trade agreement, following preliminary consultations with private sector representatives and Members of Congress.

In a letter dated August 21, 1990, President Salinas of Mexico formally proposed to President Bush the initiation of formal negotiations as soon as possible for a free trade agreement between the United States and Mexico.

On September 25, 1990, President Bush notified the Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, pursuant to section 1102© of the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988, of trade negotiations with Mexico. The letter also informed the Committee of the expressed desire by the Government of Canada to participate in the negotiations with a view to negotiating an agreement or agreements among all three countries, and of the interest of the three governments to consult on this possibility.

On February 5, 1991, President Bush notified the Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means that he, President Salinas, and Prime Minister Mulroney had agreed, on the basis of the trilateral consultations and consultations with the private sector and Members of Congress, to seek a three-way free trade area. Although recognized as not necessarily technically required by section 1102 of the 1988 Act, the President formally notified the Committee of trade negotiations with Canada.

On March 1, 1991, President Bush requested the Congress to extend the fast track procedures for implementation of multilateral or bilateral trade agreements for two years ending June 1, 1993, to enable completion of the GATT Uruguay Round of multilateral trade negotiations and the proposed North American Free Trade Agreement. A number of Congressional concerns about free trade with Mexico were conveyed in letters during March to the President jointly from the Chairmen of the House Committee on Ways and Means and the Senate Committee on Finance and from the Majority Leader of the House.

On May 1, 1991, the President responded with a set of detailed action plans for addressing these issues, including labor and environmental concerns, as well as views on the economic impact of the proposed free trade agreement (WMCP: 102-10). The fast track procedures were automatically extended for the additional two-year period for trade agreements entered into before June 1, 1993, when neither House of Congress passed by May 31, 1991, a resolution disapproving extension.

On March 8, 1993, the Speaker of the House reconstituted a Trade Agreement Coordinating Group, originally established in the 102nd Congress, chaired by the Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means and consisting of the chairmen and ranking minority members of committees of jurisdiction over matters involved in trade negotiations or likely to be affected by trade agreement implementing legislation, the Majority and Minority Leaders, and co-chairs of the Democratic Trade Task Force. The corresponding coordinating group at the staff level, chaired by the Chief Counsel and Staff Director of the Committee on Ways and Means, was also continued. This group was the primary coordinating mechanism in the House for monitoring the progress of the NAFTA negotiations and later the informal consultation process with the Administration on developing the draft implementing legislation.

Under the auspices of the Coordinating Group, frequent briefing sessions were held at the Member and staff level with Administration negotiators on all subjects under discussion, beginning in June 1991 and continuing until the NAFTA and supplemental agreement negotiations were concluded. Given the broad interest of Members generally in a free trade area with Mexico, the briefings were open to Members and staff at large, in addition to those on committees of jurisdiction.

In addition, the Committee on Ways and Means and other committees of jurisdiction, as well as various Member caucus groups, held Member and staff- level meetings with Administration officials, particularly the USTR, throughout the negotiations on issues of their particular interest.

On August 12, 1992, President Bush announced the completion of negotiations for a comprehensive North American Free Trade Agreement between Mexico, Canada and the United States. At that time, the Administration issued various documents, including a negotiated summary of the Agreement.

On September 18, 1992, President Bush officially notified the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate, in accordance with the 90-day notice requirement under section 1103(a)(1) of the 1988 Act, of his intent to enter into a NAFTA with the Governments of Mexico and Canada. The notice was accompanied by the reports of 38 private sector advisory committees on the draft Agreement as required by section 135 of the Trade Act of 1974. The President committed to work closely with the Congress to develop appropriate implementing legislation. The Administration also issued a report at that time on the benefits of the NAFTA and actions taken to fulfill the commitments made by the President on May 1, 1991 on worker adjustment, labor rights, and environmental protection.

On October 7, 1992, President Bush, President Salinas, and Prime Minister Mulroney met in San Antonio, Texas, to discuss plans for implementing the NAFTA and affirmed their shared commitment to adopt the agreement in 1993, to take effect on January 1, 1994. The three trade ministers who negotiated the agreement--U.S. Trade Representative Carla Hills, Secretary Jaime Serra, and Minister Michael Wilson--initialed the NAFTA draft legal text.

On December 17, 1992, the expiration date of the 90-day minimum notice period, President Bush, President Salinas, and Prime Minister Mulroney signed the NAFTA in their respective capitals. On that day, President-elect Clinton reaffirmed his support for the NAFTA but reiterated his campaign pledge that three supplemental agreements would be required before proceeding with the implementing legislation. These three supplemental agreements would cover the environment, workers, and special safeguards for unexpected surges in imports.

On August 13, 1993, U.S. Trade Representative Michael Kantor announced agreement by the three governments on supplemental agreements to the NAFTA on labor cooperation, on environmental cooperation, and on import surges. He also announced a basic agreement on a new institutional structure for funding environmental infrastructure projects in the U.S.-Mexican border region. The NAFTA side agreements were signed in a White House ceremony on September 14, 1993.

Informal staff-level consultations began in February 1993, between the USTR and committees of jurisdiction, and with House and Senate legislative counsel on those changes in U.S. statutes or additional authorities necessary to implement NAFTA obligations. Beginning in June, the Coordinating Group at the staff level held periodic meetings to coordinate the development of agreed draft texts between committees of joint jurisdiction as well as provisions in the jurisdiction of other committees for inclusion in a consolidated draft bill. House and Senate legislative counsel drafted the text of the proposed implementing bill, initially from drafts supplied by the Administration.

In a letter to the Speaker of the House dated September 28, 1993, the President emphasized the importance of Congress voting on a NAFTA implementing bill before adjournment in 1993, to enable the Agreement to take effect on January 1, 1994, as scheduled. To meet that timetable, the President proposed the completion of informal consultations between the Administration and all Congressional committees of jurisdiction on the joint drafting of an implementing bill by November 1 to permit introduction at that time.

On November 2, 1993, the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate transmitted to the U.S. Trade Representative proposed implementing legislation for the NAFTA, and proposals for inclusion in the Statement of Administrative Action as developed through informal consultations between House and Senate committees of jurisdiction and the Administration. The legislation noted the few items on which informal consensus could not be reached between the House and Senate and for which the Administration would have to make the final judgment with respect to inclusion in the bill.

On November 4, 1993, President Clinton sent two letters of transmittal to the Congress covering: (1) transmittal of the text of the NAFTA, together with the draft implementing bill, Statement of Administrative Action; and supporting documents as required under section 1103(a) of the 1988 Act for Congressional approval (House Document 103-159, vol. 1 and 2); and (2) transmittal of supplemental agreements to the NAFTA on labor, the environment, and import surges, and additional agreements and documents (House Document 103-160). The supplemental agreements and the other agreements are Executive agreements that do not require Congressional approval but are part of the entire NAFTA package to be considered by Congress in deciding whether to approve the implementing bill.

As provided under section 151 of the Trade Act of 1974, the implementing legislation was introduced as H.R. 3450 in the House on November 4, by Mr. Rostenkowski (as designee of the Majority Leader) for himself and Mr. Archer (as designee of the Minority Leader), by request, and jointly referred to eight committees of jurisdiction: Ways and Means; Agriculture; Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs; Energy and Commerce; Foreign Affairs; Government Operations; and Public Works and Transportation. The bill was introduced in the Senate on November 4 as S. 1627 and referred to the Committee on Finance.

On December 18, 1992, former President Bush and the heads of state of Canada and Mexico signed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), providing for the elimination or reduction in tariffs and other barriers to trade between the three NAFTA countries. If implemented by the Governments of the United States, Mexico and Canada, NAFTA would create the biggest consumer market in the world, with a combined economy of $6.5 trillion and 370 million people.

President Clinton stated that he could not support the NAFTA negotiated by former President Bush without additional side agreements. Upon taking office, President Clinton, therefore, initiated negotiations with Mexico and Canada to add provisions to NAFTA that deal with the environment, worker rights, and import surges.

Negotiations on supplemental agreements covering these three topics were concluded on August 13, 1993. The supplemental agreements were signed at Mexico City, Washington, and Ottawa on September 8, 9, 12 and 14, 1993.

On November 4, 1993, President Clinton submitted to the Congress H.R. 3450, a bill to implement the North American Free Trade Agreement. H.R. 3450 would approve only the basic agreement and the accompanying Statement of Administrative Action. The supplemental agreements on the environment and on labor, together with side letters having to do with sugar and other agricultural products, are not approved by the legislation.

Under the provisions of the bill, the President is authorized to enter the NAFTA into force with respect to Canada or Mexico, as long as specific conditions are met, on or after January 1, 1994. The provisions of NAFTA would take effect over a 15-year period, during which tariffs and other barriers would be reduced or eliminated.

 

[delldude]

Yeah and like I said.....signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton

Duh

December 8, 1993
NAFTA signed into law

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is signed into law by President Bill Clinton. Clinton said he hoped the agreement would encourage other nations to work toward a broader world-trade pact.

Do you actually read what I post?

 

[Gilding the Lily]

You guys are both saying the same thing, and both right.

Reagan envisioned NAFTA.
Bush Sr. and posse negotiated and signed the initial and main AGREEMENT.
Clinton and posse negotiated and signed supplemental side AGREEMENTS to NAFTA; presented the proposed legislation to Congress; and signed the NAFTA IMPLEMENTATION ACT (implementing the aforementioned Agreement).

 

[delldude]

You guys are both saying the same thing, and both right.

God forbid.......I think the Seas have once again parted.......

 

[local 12 proud]

<_<

HILLARY CLINTON will be the next POTUS
and
OHIO will (this time) go BLUE !

(Now where did I hear this slogan before, that keeps rattling in my ol' head) ??

"IT's the ECONOMY STUPID"

Hillary/Richardson 08'

Keep on telling yourself that Bears....

Its not as cut and dried as you like to think, also the GOP is loving this 'Dog Fight' inside your party.

"IT's NOT the ECONOMY STUPID"....Its the personal attacks Hillarys camp has engaged in and its about to get ugly from the 'Big O' side when her dirty laundry gets aired.

Issues?..... :huh:

Democrats on pins and needles

...BTW, How was your journey to 'Little Bighorn'?

No longer Custers Battlefield