Today, I entrusted my dear Wife to ATL/GA. (DL).......YUUK !
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So it should be equally fair and equitable for the employer to say "this is my company, we do not want unions on the property, if you want union representation seek employment elsewhere".
Btw what expenses are germane to enforcing the CBA? IAM Learjet? After all Buffy said the IAM could not accomplish their mission with commercial air travel. Union official junkets? Grand lodge convention? Useless retreats and dinners for union business?
What specifically is germane?
Josh
The law permits unions in this country, companies spend millions on fighting organizing, so they have their say in an union election. They spend millions against unions.
You need to read a book, http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Union-Buster-Marty-Levitt/dp/0517583305
Last time I checked this country is somewhat a democracy and if the workers choose a union, that is their right.
Guess you dont realize people were killed, maimed and hurt in this country to get the ability to form a union.
Guess you dont realize unions go back to the formation of this country, remember all the Guilds during revolutionary and post revolutionary times? A Guild was a trade union.
A lear jet is not germane to the CBA, what is germane is determined by an audit supervised or performed by the DOL every year. Only the costs of enforcing and negotiating the CBA are germane to how dues are calculated for objectors and non-members, but you wouldnt know that cause you dont educate yourself nor are part of a union or even work for an airline.
Oh by the way, it is illegal to fire someone for organizing or wanting a union, been tested in court all ready.
So keep your anti-union dribble to yourself
You need to read a book, http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Union-Buster-Marty-Levitt/dp/0517583305
Last time I checked this country is somewhat a democracy and if the workers choose a union, that is their right.
Guess you dont realize people were killed, maimed and hurt in this country to get the ability to form a union.
Guess you dont realize unions go back to the formation of this country, remember all the Guilds during revolutionary and post revolutionary times? A Guild was a trade union.
A lear jet is not germane to the CBA, what is germane is determined by an audit supervised or performed by the DOL every year. Only the costs of enforcing and negotiating the CBA are germane to how dues are calculated for objectors and non-members, but you wouldnt know that cause you dont educate yourself nor are part of a union or even work for an airline.
Oh by the way, it is illegal to fire someone for organizing or wanting a union, been tested in court all ready.
So keep your anti-union dribble to yourself
Will go and pick that up at the library today, already reserved a copy. Thanks.
But again, if as you say it is all about democracy how is it fair or equitable to force someone to pay agency fee/dues objector fee simply to maintain their job? So yes, technically a dues objector isn't a union member but they still pay a substantial portion of the full dues payer amount. Again, if the unions provided value to workers people would willingly join them. RTW hasn't crippled unions, it promotes choice among workers and accountability of union leaders.
And do you think early labor leaders like Samuel Gompers, Michael Quill, Mother Jones, etc would approve of unions colluding with management and selling out their very own members? APFA President Glading is getting an A5 pass for life while the FAs face extended concessions. Learjet for IAM officials while their very own members at UA stand to be outsourced? Point is the current labor movement leaders have lost touch with the value and principles very people that built their .
Josh
Is it fair they earn the wages, benefits, and all that is in the CBA for free?
The union spends money to enforce the CBA so the workers get what was negotiated between the company and the union.
So its ok for CEOs to make thousands of percent more than the workers?
How about former CEO of GE Jack Welch and his use of GE corporate jets for life after he retired?
How about Dave Siegel being fired from US Airways and getting his $6 million retirement when workers who spent upwards of 40 years at US Airways had their pensions terminated?
How about the TARP fund recipients using private corporate jets to go lobby and get their money?
The public outrage forced many of those companies to sell those jets.
How many private jets does your company own?
How about the Airline CEOs who retire and get space positive including their families on their former airline and most other airlines?
How about BOD members who get paid $100,000s for 4 or 5 meetings a year, along with their stock payments and positive space travel for life?
Dont throw stones when you live in a glass house.
The union spends money to enforce the CBA so the workers get what was negotiated between the company and the union.
So its ok for CEOs to make thousands of percent more than the workers?
How about former CEO of GE Jack Welch and his use of GE corporate jets for life after he retired?
How about Dave Siegel being fired from US Airways and getting his $6 million retirement when workers who spent upwards of 40 years at US Airways had their pensions terminated?
How about the TARP fund recipients using private corporate jets to go lobby and get their money?
The public outrage forced many of those companies to sell those jets.
How many private jets does your company own?
How about the Airline CEOs who retire and get space positive including their families on their former airline and most other airlines?
How about BOD members who get paid $100,000s for 4 or 5 meetings a year, along with their stock payments and positive space travel for life?
Dont throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Kev3188
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Jesus...
Nice to know some things never change...
At any rate:
*Yes, RR employees will absolutely be able to vote in any election, assuming they're eligible.
*I think you'd be surprised at the level of support RR's are giving to organization. Sure, some are ambivalent, but there's a lot more enthusiasm than one would think. 'Course, like I always say, the company is doing a great job of helping us organize them...
*I'm betting you were being sarcastic, but 700's right; Levitt's book is honestly a great read. Not just for the union busting parts, but also his own personal story (he intertwines both in the book).
Nice to know some things never change...
At any rate:
*Yes, RR employees will absolutely be able to vote in any election, assuming they're eligible.
*I think you'd be surprised at the level of support RR's are giving to organization. Sure, some are ambivalent, but there's a lot more enthusiasm than one would think. 'Course, like I always say, the company is doing a great job of helping us organize them...
*I'm betting you were being sarcastic, but 700's right; Levitt's book is honestly a great read. Not just for the union busting parts, but also his own personal story (he intertwines both in the book).
Unions have to report every single penny they spend to the DOL, a company doesnt.
I have never seen a union official cover themselves up as philanthropists.
Companies dont?
Guess you didnt read this now did you?
You make this way too easy joshie.
Dont play that crap.
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I lived in S. Fla. until I was about 23, surrounded by yankees, which was not a problem for me, I eventually picked up a northern way of speaking. When I moved to Ga. everyone believed I came from somewhere north and within a couple years, I'd call old friends, back in Fla. and the first thing out of their mouth was, "Why are you talking with a draw".
Kev is right, you pick what your surrounded by, whether you realize it or not.
And anyone who holds the way you pronounce "You all" compared to "Y'all" against them, is, you guessed it..............a BIGOT!
Like I said, your wife's welcome down here any time..........ever hear of "Southern Hospitality", just keep "YER" ass north of the Mason-Dixon...............wouldn't want to see someone have to open up a "Can-O-Whoop-Ass" on ya' !
Kev is right, you pick what your surrounded by, whether you realize it or not.
And anyone who holds the way you pronounce "You all" compared to "Y'all" against them, is, you guessed it..............a BIGOT!
Like I said, your wife's welcome down here any time..........ever hear of "Southern Hospitality", just keep "YER" ass north of the Mason-Dixon...............wouldn't want to see someone have to open up a "Can-O-Whoop-Ass" on ya' !
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Gasoline poured, match lit, flame bait thrown.
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WTH does this have to do with the topic...............Dolt ?
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Get back to talking about the unintelligible mumbling that passes for English in some places.
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If the USA ever needed an...ENEMA, they would insert the plug ...south of the M/D line, and East of the Mississippi River !
VA/NC/SC/GA/FL/AL/TN/LA/MS/TX.....it's ALL the ......Same.... S H ! T !
NORTH of the M/D line / East of the Mississippi has been PLAGUED for over a week with everyday temps in the mid 90's with humidity "off the charts" This DEAD, unhealthy, Stagnant air (loaded with major health warnings) isn't fit for human habitation. Little wonder that the Confederate states are consistantly rated the unhealthiest states in the country !
I have NO desire to visit any foreign countries. Since you ASSS-Holes 'bailed out', the US southern border, is the Potomac river.
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