Top Ten Reasons to Vote NO

[Overspeed]

Another reason straight from the offer...



ARTICLE 42 - JOB SECURITY

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Need I say more?

You are in BK remember? You aren't seeing that language for a long time.

 

[Buck]

You are in BK remember? You aren't seeing that language for a long time.

So being in bankruptcy makes everything OK?
Everything the company has done and will do is fine with you as long as we are in bankruptcy proceedings.

 

[aapitbull]

You are in BK remember? You aren't seeing that language for a long time.

You come on here and spread gloom and doom about what will happen if we vote no then please expalin why the company wants me to vote yes? If as you say the company gets their wish list with a no vote what possible reason would they have to push for a yes vote like they are. now I understand why you { the Intl } wants us to vote yes because you do not want to lose dues monies to save langauge or benifits because that is a loss to your bottom line but why does the company want the yes?

Enlighten us owe mighty stooge.

 

[Tex-Mech]

It should make you go hmmmmm. The reality is they started with outsourcing and we are talking about doing away with workers we have on payroll. How can a union agree to outsourcing work of its own dues paying members? AA would love to have Southwest's outsourcing levels and pay just the line $42/hour. That's a deal for them. Is that what you are proposing? That the TWU negotiate to outsource all engines, components and a majority share of our airframe overhaul? How would you get a yes vote on that deal?

You may want to let the AMT's working in the engine shop at Love field know that they don't work on engines.

http://www.amfa11.com/file_cabinet/Drawer_1/forms/ER-010-AMFA_Bid_Form_Rev-07-14-2011.pdf

Mechanics Bid Locations: Line Service, B/C Check, Shop/Line Relief, Ground Equipment, Ground Equipment Shops, Plant Maintenance, Structures, Structure Support, Line R.O.N., Hangar R.O.N., Composite Shop, Sheet Metal Shop, Engine Shop, APU Shop, Slide Shop, Line Relief, B/C Check/Hangar Visit Support, Receiving Inspection, B/C Check Inspection, Engine Shop Inspection, Line R.O.N./Hangar R.O.N. Inspection, Structures Inspection, Shop Inspection, Shop Relief Inspection, B/C Check/Hangar Visit Support Inspection.

 

[Frank Szabo]

So being in bankruptcy makes everything OK?
Everything the company has done and will do is fine with you as long as we are in bankruptcy proceedings.

... and he's got a company Buick - don't forget that.

Hey there, OhSpeed - what kind of car will they get you next year - a Fiat 500?

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[olderguyAMT]

TAESL
2100 Eagle Parkway
Fort Worth Texas 76177

LBO says 25% OSM's there too.
Will the Co. take 25% of AMT jobs in TAESL and make them OSM doing the same work for $22,000 per year less pay?


Vote NO.

Also in the LBO, if a stock clerk has an A&P License, the Co. can send him to the hangar to work on the plane.

Vote NO.

Now consider how to interpret the LBO. 25% of hangar folks can be OSM. Does that include total hangar personell?? Does it include Cleaners, Parts Washers, Engineers, MGMT and Planners/Schedulers, and then viola, you have a lot more OSM on the plane!

Simple manipulation and interpretation of the language to the company's benefit.

Vote NO.

 

[strikeforce]

yesterday I browsed the APA website. The May 11th negotiation link will illustrate the company's proposal to the pilots regarding sick leave and mainline flying. Interesting that the company wants 55% of mainline flying done with aircraft with 71-80 seats. According to the update that means 330 aircraft out of the 610 will be small regional jets. It also said "NO additional aircraft will be added to mainline flying". For you pilots out there can you please explain that update on the APA website and what that means to the amount of aircraft that will be AA and Eagle. That should tell us how much future maintenance will be done by our mechanics.

Remember, the company wants to outsource 35-40% of total maintenance.


VOTE NO!

 

[OgieJFK]

You are in BK remember? You aren't seeing that language for a long time.

BK or no BK.....You never vote or sign ANYTHING with open language. You *MIGHT* just be voting yourself out of a job. Any REAL union man knows this. Unfortunately the Totally Worthless Union has been doing this practice for as long as I can remember.

 

[aapitbull]

Funny, you never read or hear about Sothwest Airline mechanics bitching about outsourcing. You know, those guys that make $45 per hour. They outsource far more than AA is proposing, yet not a peep from their group.
Kind of makes you go hmmmmm.

The interesting thing is that they are getting ready to start another check line at Love field looking to hire mechanics to do heavy work in house at those wages while we continue to bleed jobs. Blame this mess on AMFA the BK or the Judge but its not the TWU's fault never the TWU's fault.

 

[FWAAA]

yesterday I browsed the APA website. The May 11th negotiation link will illustrate the company's proposal to the pilots regarding sick leave and mainline flying. Interesting that the company wants 55% of mainline flying done with aircraft with 71-80 seats. According to the update that means 330 aircraft out of the 610 will be small regional jets. It also said "NO additional aircraft will be added to mainline flying". For you pilots out there can you please explain that update on the APA website and what that means to the amount of aircraft that will be AA and Eagle. That should tell us how much future maintenance will be done by our mechanics.

No, you've misinterpreted the numbers. AA is proposing that the pilot scope clause permit AA to fly a number of 71-80 seaters equal to 55% of the number of mainline planes in the fleet. With today's 610 mainline planes, that would permit AA to contract (with Eagle or another commuter airline) for 330 71-80 seaters for a total of 940 planes in the combined fleet (610 + 330 = 940).

 

[Buck]

TAESL
2100 Eagle Parkway
Fort Worth Texas 76177

LBO says 25% OSM's there too.
Will the Co. take 25% of AMT jobs in TAESL and make them OSM doing the same work for $22,000 per year less pay?


Vote NO.

Also in the LBO, if a stock clerk has an A&P License, the Co. can send him to the hangar to work on the plane.

Vote NO.

Now consider how to interpret the LBO. 25% of hangar folks can be OSM. Does that include total hangar personell?? Does it include Cleaners, Parts Washers, Engineers, MGMT and Planners/Schedulers, and then viola, you have a lot more OSM on the plane!

Simple manipulation and interpretation of the language to the company's benefit.

Vote NO.

Aircraft Cleaners and Parts Washers , if the "new contract" passes, will be in a separate classification.

Now the Aircraft Cleaners and Parts Washers are part of Title 1. What happens to their seniority? Some of those are A&P's, who have accepted those positions to wait their turn for OSM or even Mechanic.

Maybe those posting here have a solution for these TWU members.

 

[strikeforce]

No, you've misinterpreted the numbers. AA is proposing that the pilot scope clause permit AA to fly a number of 71-80 seaters equal to 55% of the number of mainline planes in the fleet. With today's 610 mainline planes, that would permit AA to contract (with Eagle or another commuter airline) for 330 71-80 seaters for a total of 940 planes in the combined fleet (610 + 330 = 940).

how many aircraft does eagle have now?

 

[FWAAA]

Eagle had approximately 300 aircraft when AA filed Ch 11, but the Eagle fleet has been shrinking since then. Most observers are predicting that most of the 37/44/50 seat fleet will be retired as quickly as Embraer or Canadair can supply 70-90 seaters.

Eagle had 47 CRJ-700s, 36 ATRs and 216 37/44/50 seat ERJs, for a total of 299.

The key is that the small regional jet scope clause limits are expressed as a percentage of the mainline fleet (two separate fleets). To help you understand - what if the permitted percentage was 100% instead of 55%? You don't really think that means that there would be no large mainline planes, do you? A 100% limit would just mean that AA could fly 610 large RJs plus the 610 mainline planes. The current 50-seat scope limit permits Eagle to fly 110% of the mainline fleet count in 50-seaters.

AA ordered almost 500 narrowbody planes last summer anticipating this bankruptcy and relaxed scope clauses - plus the 16 777s on order plus the 42 787s. Plus the 47 existing 777s and the existing 58 763s. AA isn't immediately grounding very many planes in this bankruptcy, unlike some other airlines. The mainline fleet may not grow a lot, but it won't be a mere 280 planes, as your earlier post suggested (610-330=280). AA is slashing its wage expenses - and history shows that airlines grow when their costs come down. They shrink when their costs exceed everyone else's costs.

 

[strikeforce]

Eagle had approximately 300 aircraft when AA filed Ch 11, but the Eagle fleet has been shrinking since then. Most observers are predicting that most of the 37/44/50 seat fleet will be retired as quickly as Embraer or Canadair can supply 70-90 seaters.

The key is that the small regional jet scope clause limits are expressed as a percentage of the mainline fleet (two separate fleets). To help you understand - what if the permitted percentage was 100% instead of 55%? You don't really think that means that there would be no large mainline planes, do you? A 100% limit would just mean that AA could fly 610 large RJs plus the 610 mainline planes. The current 50-seat scope limit permits Eagle to fly 110% of the mainline fleet count in 50-seaters.

AA ordered almost 500 narrowbody planes last summer anticipating this bankruptcy and relaxed scope clauses - plus the 16 777s on order plus the 42 787s. Plus the 47 existing 777s and the existing 58 763s. AA isn't immediately grounding very many planes in this bankruptcy, unlike many other airlines. The mainline fleet may not grow a lot, but it won't be a mere 280 planes, as your earlier post suggested (610-330=280). AA is slashing its wage expenses - and history shows that airlines grow when their costs come down. They shrink when their costs exceed everyone else's costs.

AA slashed their wage expenses in 2003, and that didn't help the company one bit. The company has lost $10B over 10 years. In the 2010 T/A the company agreed in principal to keep the pensions intact, and increase wages for most employees. Now, fast forward just 18 months later....and the company wants everything including our new borns. What the hell changed in just 18 months???

Look, it seems only a few people really know AA's business plan, Horton, the BOD, and Harvey Miller. Only the company really knows what 35-40% of the total maintenance costs they will outsource on top of the 10-23% AA currently does. AMT jobs are based on the number of aircraft in the mainline fleet.....so, does anyone really know how many aircraft AA will have by 2013, 2014, 2018?? Wouldn't it been more sensible to wait until the APA settled on their scope before we agree to our percentage of work being outsourced???

 

[olderguyAMT]

Here is another reason to vote NO.

Prefunding.....IMO.....

Since you have been contributing to the prefunding trust, the co. has matched your contributions. The total includes interest earned. As part of the original agreement for prefunding, the funds are not to be robbed in BK.

What they do not tell us is that the Co. will try to take the match with interest, in the section 1114 process.
Correct me if I am wrong, Bob.

As it stands today, its all our money, not the company's.
Our money includes the co. match. The money was intended to be used to pay for pre-medicare medical insurance in retirement.

See the prefunding links to part 1 and part 2 on local 562 website. You won't find it on the local 514 website for some reason.

The powers to be, want the members to think that if the NO vote wins, that company portion of matched funds is lost.
Not true per the original document. This is very misleading.
AND is just another reason to VOTE NO.

The company match is not lost until its taken from us in BK court at section 1114 proceedings, which have not taken place yet!!!!! Are ya mad yet? It's just another reason to vote NO!!!!!