Trump - How long will he last?

[SparrowHawk]

You forgot...massively increasing the debt by borrowing and spending. VERY conservative.

Sorry but the increase in the Debt is/was a Bipartisan effort with Bush and Obama being the most guilty

 

[KCFlyer]

Sorry but the increase in the Debt is/was a Bipartisan effort with Bush and Obama being the most guilty

True, but democrats are tax and spend, republicans are borrow and spend. At least one of them recognizes that if you are going to spend, you need to get the money from somewhere. The other side blasts the spending...points to food stamps and health care and claims it's a spending problem. Then they propose a tax cut, shift the spending from social services to the military, which has the net effect of not cutting a dime, and borrows the rest because the money just isn't coming it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

True, but democrats are tax and spend, republicans are borrow and spend. At least one of them recognizes that if you are going to spend, you need to get the money from somewhere. The other side blasts the spending...points to food stamps and health care and claims it's a spending problem. Then they propose a tax cut, shift the spending from social services to the military, which has the net effect of not cutting a dime, and borrows the rest because the money just isn't coming it.

When you have so many "entitlements" with no accountability and so few programs dedicated to a path of independence your damn right it's a spending problem.

http://usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/

At the close of 2014 approximately 12,000 individuals were enrolled in the state assistance program. Keep in mind that these individuals are adults who aren’t disabled and who don’t have children at home and who are claiming the food-stamp benefits because of a lack of financial resources.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

In Maine they have to get a job working at least 20 hours a week. If they are unable to secure employment they can draw food stamps by enrolling in a training program. If they still can't get employment they can qualify by volunteering 24 hours a month.

They have no excuse not to contribute to their community under this program. No more sitting at home being a professional parasite care of "entitlements" with no accountability.

Do you think asking an able bodied person to do job training (at tax payer expense) or volunteer 3 days a month for a community that is feeding them is too much to ask?

As far as I am concerned if they refuse to contribute to their community out of pure laziness then let them starve.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nes-welfare-reforms-are-working/#1d25eb44a4c7

 

[KCFlyer]

When you have so many "entitlements" with no accountability and so few programs dedicated to a path of independence your damn right it's a spending problem.

http://usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/

At the close of 2014 approximately 12,000 individuals were enrolled in the state assistance program. Keep in mind that these individuals are adults who aren’t disabled and who don’t have children at home and who are claiming the food-stamp benefits because of a lack of financial resources.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

In Maine they have to get a job working at least 20 hours a week. If they are unable to secure employment they can draw food stamps by enrolling in a training program. If they still can't get employment they can qualify by volunteering 24 hours a month.

They have no excuse not to contribute to their community under this program. No more sitting at home being a professional parasite care of "entitlements" with no accountability.

Do you think asking an able bodied person to do job training (at tax payer expense) or volunteer 3 days a month for a community that is feeding them is too much to ask?

As far as I am concerned if they refuse to contribute to their community out of pure laziness then let them starve.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nes-welfare-reforms-are-working/#1d25eb44a4c7

And the problem is STILL a spending problem....here's an example. If you slash food stamps by $100 billion and you slash Medicaid by $100 billion and you increase defense spending by $250 billion, AND cut taxes...you still have a BIGGER spending problem, and you just introduced a revenue problem. You just get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that those mooches won't have a free lunch anymore.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You just get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that those mooches won't have a free lunch anymore.

You're damn right I do. It has been a long time coming.

Let's not forget that defense spending creates jobs.

 

[KCFlyer]

You're damn right I do. It has been a long time coming.

Let's not forget that defense spending creates jobs.

And that is enough to ***** about the debt while increasing it on other programs? Why not just say the debt doesn't really matter?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And that is enough to ***** about the debt while increasing it on other programs? Why not just say the debt doesn't really matter?

Debt shifting is your thing and has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

The issue I was discussing is this:

When you have so many "entitlements" with no accountability and so few programs dedicated to a path of independence your damn right it's a spending problem.

http://usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/

At the close of 2014 approximately 12,000 individuals were enrolled in the state assistance program. Keep in mind that these individuals are adults who aren’t disabled and who don’t have children at home and who are claiming the food-stamp benefits because of a lack of financial resources.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

In Maine they have to get a job working at least 20 hours a week. If they are unable to secure employment they can draw food stamps by enrolling in a training program. If they still can't get employment they can qualify by volunteering 24 hours a month.

They have no excuse not to contribute to their community under this program. No more sitting at home being a professional parasite care of "entitlements" with no accountability.

Do you think asking an able bodied person to do job training (at tax payer expense) or volunteer 3 days a month for a community that is feeding them is too much to ask?

As far as I am concerned if they refuse to contribute to their community out of pure laziness then let them starve.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nes-welfare-reforms-are-working/#1d25eb44a4c7

I will simplify my stance for you.

I am not going to turn a blind eye to fraud being implemented on the American working people by a bunch of socialist buying votes with other peoples money. That has been going on for far too long and it needs to stop.

I said nothing in that quoted post about military spending or debt shifting at all.

Do you have any comments relevant to what I actually said?

I doubt you do or I would not have seen an irrelevant post as a response.

 

[KCFlyer]

Debt shifting is your thing and has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

The issue I was discussing is this:



I will simplify my stance for you.

I am not going to turn a blind eye to fraud being implemented on the American working people by a bunch of socialist buying votes with other peoples money. That has been going on for far too long and it needs to stop.

I said nothing in that quoted post about military spending or debt shifting at all.

Do you have any comments relevant to what I actually said?

I doubt you do or I would not have seen an irrelevant post as a response.

Refresh my memory....did the debt under Obama concern you? The reason I ask is that you have this dream world where all of the poor are kicked to the curb because of an action of the few....we are spending billions on deadbeats and moochers. I'm assuming you want a tax cut, but you rightly see that we can't afford to spend money on moochers and still have our tax cut, because it's a spending issue, not a revenue issue. But you have your laser focus on moochers. If we pull all that money and give you your tax cut, we MIGHT break even. But if we take all that money and divert it to something else - we STILL have a spending issue, and a tax cut won't help that.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Refresh my memory....did the debt under Obama concern you?

Yes.

The reason I ask is that you have this dream world where all of the poor are kicked to the curb because of an action of the few....we are spending billions on deadbeats and moochers.

Typical liberal trying to marginalize a major problem by making statements they can't prove.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

Does that look like the actions of a few to you? Only a liberal would classify a 79 percent reduction as the actions of a few.

I'm assuming you want a tax cut, but you rightly see that we can't afford to spend money on moochers and still have our tax cut, because it's a spending issue, not a revenue issue.

That's right it IS a spending issue. So why do you liberals keep pushing to expand "entitlements"? You even want to extend them to illegal aliens.

What I want is for the money the government takes from me to be spent responsibly. That is my expectation as the payer. I expect a return on my investment and I am not seeing that when you have people making a career out of welfare. Before you remark about all the tax funded services I enjoy as a taxpayer don't forget that Obama ran up more debt than every other American president combined to fund his socialist agendas.

But you have your laser focus on moochers

Everyone has to have a hobby.

If we pull all that money and give you your tax cut, we MIGHT break even.

Who said I am happy at stopping there. I have a variety of "hobbies".

You are also ignoring that fact that forcing people to participate in the workforce instead of being career parasites will grow the economy.

Face it, Maine proved how out of control welfare abuse actually is. You my friend, don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[KCFlyer]

Yes.




Typical liberal trying to marginalize a major problem by making statements they can't prove.Does that look like the actions of a few to you? Only a liberal would classify a 79 percent reduction as the actions of a few.


That's right it IS a spending issue. So why do you liberals keep pushing to expand "entitlements"? You even want to extend them to illegal aliens.

What I want is for the money the government takes from me to be spent responsibly. That is my expectation as the payer. I expect a return on my investment and I am not seeing that when you have people making a career out of welfare. Before you remark about all the tax funded services I enjoy as a taxpayer don't forget that Obama ran up more debt than every other American president combined to fund his socialist agendas.Everyone has to have a hobby.Who said I am happy at stopping there. I have a variety of "hobbies".

You are also ignoring that fact that forcing people to participate in the workforce instead of being career parasites will grow the economy.

Face it Maine proved how out of control welfare abuse actually is. You my friend, don't have a leg to stand on.

If Trump has his way, we will be "forcing people to participate in the workforce" well into their 80's. This does not bode well for they younger set looking for work. Hell...retirees have already taken all the sacker jobs at the grocery store.

And yes...Obama ran up the debt...the problem is that Trump plans to run it up just as much, if not more. AND he plans on cutting the rich folks taxes - the middle class will not see any real tax cut. And I say over and over again....taking money from welfare programs and moving it to defense programs is not cutting spending...it's shifting spending. Tossing a bit more money at defense on top of the social services cuts is increasing spending.

And cutting taxes at the same time will result in debt shooting up since even IF tax cuts are supposed to increase revenues - that won't happen overnight. So you will go for two, three, or in the case of Kansas FOUR years before revenues reach their original level, much less surpass them. The impact THAT will have on the debt will make Obama look like an amateur.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If Trump has his way, we will be "forcing people to participate in the workforce" well into their 80's.

Based on what, the Democrat fantasy fear campaign?

And I say over and over again....taking money from welfare programs and moving it to defense programs is not cutting spending...it's shifting spending.

And I have said it over and over again, I never brought up shifting spending you did. Stop trying to use my quote to kick off your diatribe.

The impact THAT will have on the debt will make Obama look like an amateur.

The train wreck that is Obamacare made Obama look like an amateur.

Obama was a weak leader with horrible foreign policy that used "civil rights" as a pulpit to push his liberal and socialist agenda on the American people. I am glad he is out of office.

I am sure if Hillary would have won and busted open our borders while signing deals with Canada and Mexico in an attempt to turn us into a western version of the EU you would just be happy as a clam right?

Maybe you have not heard but, the EU is a failure and Hillary was a crook on Saudi Arabia's payroll.

 

[KCFlyer]

Based on what, the Democrat fantasy fear campaign?And I have said it over and over again, I never brought up shifting spending you did. Stop trying to use my quote to kick off your diatribe.The train wreck that is Obamacare made Obama look like an amateur.

Obama was a weak leader with horrible foreign policy that used "civil rights" as a pulpit to push his liberal and socialist agenda on the American people. I am glad he is out of office.

I am sure if Hillary would have won and busted open our borders while signing deals with Canada and Mexico in an attempt to turn us into a western version of the EU you would just be happy as a clam right?

Maybe you have not heard but, the EU is a failure and Hillary was a crook on Saudi Arabia's payroll.

Obama isn't president anymore. Trump is. He has been charged with reducing the debt. What will you say if the debt increases? Remember....we were told over and over for the past 8 years that we can't blame Bush...Will our dear leader not blame his predecessor? I won't hold my breath as he has already blamed a judge for an attack that hasn't occurred. I'm sure he'll just point to Obama and gloss over his policy failures that contribute to increased debt.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

This statement Obama made about Jeremiah Wright should tell you all you need to know about Obama.

I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday... The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago.

Funny how Wright's anti American and racist comments never bothered Obama during all those church services he attended.

Obama attended a church who's pastor preached about the evils of America all while having his eye on the presidency.

That is who liberals voted for.

Someone who went to a church that preaches "America's chickens are coming home to roost"

God damn America indeed.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Refresh my memory....did the debt under Obama concern you?

Obama isn't president anymore.

You opened the door. Don't complain because I walked through it.

By the way how long did liberals blame Bush after Obama's presidency?

Remember....we were told over and over for the past 8 years that we can't blame Bush...

See above.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

KCFlyer I noticed you had nothing to say about the 79 percent drop in food stamp enrollees in Maine.

I can't blame you. If I were a liberal socialist I would ignore that to.

Kind of debases your liberal propaganda doesn't it?

you have this dream world where all of the poor are kicked to the curb because of an action of the few

79 percent. Not so few.