Truth Hurt?

[delldude]

I never liked Travolta so I did not see the movie.

I do not see how Clinton could have gone after OBL with out justification. I sure as hell would have been a bit ticked off. No one had heard of OBL till 9/11 happened. Had Clinton sent in troops to take care of OBL (an unknown at that time) the people on both sides would have been upset and had a field day.

Had GW tired to invade Afghanistan or Iraq prior to 9/11 he never would have received authorization from his own party much less the democrats. so I believe that entire argument falls flat on it's face. Just as WW II required Pearl to light the fuse, the ME cluster phuck we are in now required 9/11 to light that fuse. I firmly believe that both Clinton and GW had their hands tied untill 9/11 happened. Then it was game on.

Dude...intel circles knew very well indeed who OBL was at the time.And they wanted him taken out then.Clinton had an opportunity but worried too much about polling.

 

[KCFlyer]

Dude...intel circles knew very well indeed who OBL was at the time.And they wanted him taken out then.Clinton had an opportunity but worried too much about polling.

Which I guess is why he briefed Bush that in the coming years, his number one focus would be OBL. Since it came from Clinton, Bush just ignored it. At least Clinton recognized the threat.

 

[Cosworth]

Dude...intel circles knew very well indeed who OBL was at the time.And they wanted him taken out then.Clinton had an opportunity but worried too much about polling.

I have no doubt that the inteligence community (that term always cracks me up) knew about him. Clinton passed the info on to GW. What was was referring to was that the public did not know about him and would not have supported a strike to get him.

Why do you think GW did not take any action for 9 month? If he thought for a minute he could get away with it he would have jumped on it. H did not do anything about it for the same reason Clinton did not do anything. Do you think any politician is not concerned about the polls? GW looks at them as much as any POTUS or elected official.

Had Clinton or GW sent in ground troops for a search and destroy against an unknown terrorist with an unknown plan, they would have garnered little if any support. Some times it takes a tragedy to spur action. I am sure the NTSB has numerous safety issues it wants to deal in relation to planes, trains and automobiles but till a accident happens, they will not be able to address it.

 

[delldude]

Which I guess is why he briefed Bush that in the coming years, his number one focus would be OBL. Since it came from Clinton, Bush just ignored it. At least Clinton recognized the threat.

I can't quite figure how you can see it that way.....

It seems if anything....Clinton ignored it.Wasn't Clinton in office when all or most of the following happened?

Between 1991 and 1996, Al Qaeda took part in several major terror attacks. Al Qaeda was involved in the bombing of two hotels in Aden, Yemen, which targeted American troops en route to Somalia on a humanitarian and peacekeeping mission . It also gave massive assistance to Somali militias, whose efforts brought the eventual withdrawal of U.S. forces in 1994. Bin Laden was also involved in an assassination attempt against Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia in June 1995. Two major terrorist actions against the U.S. military in Saudi Arabia, a November 1995 attack in Riyadh and the June 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, also fit Al Qaeda’s strategy at the time, but their connection to Al Qaeda is not entirely clear. There is little evidence to suggest a significant connection between bin Laden and the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.

After moving to Afghanistan, bin Laden escalated his anti-American rhetoric. In an interview with the Independent in July 1996, bin Laden praised the Riyadh and Dhahram attacks on U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, saying it marked “the beginning of war between Muslims and the United States.†He did not take responsibility for the attacks, but said that “not long ago, I gave advice to the Americans to withdraw their troops from Saudi Arabia.†On August 23, 1996, bin Laden issued Al Qaeda’s first “declaration of war†against America, his “Message from Osama bin Laden to his Muslim brothers in the whole world and especially in the Arabian Peninsula: declaration of jihad against the Americans occupying the Land of the Two Holy Mosques (Saudi Arabia); expel the heretics from the Arabian Peninsula.â€
Subsequently, Al Qaeda escalated its war against the U.S. In August 1998, Al Qaeda bombed two U.S. embassies in East Africa (Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania) killing more than 200 people, including 12 Americans. In retaliation, the U.S. attacked targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. In October 2000, Al Qaeda bombed the U.S.S. Cole, an American guided-missile destroyer at Aden, Yemen, killing 17 American servicemen. It committed its most devastating attack on September 11, 2001, when 19 Al Qaeda operatives hijacked four passenger planes and drove two into the Twin Towers in New York City and one into the Pentagon; a fourth plane crashed in rural Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 people were killed in the attack.

Clinton did little to effect retaliation......Bush went after them.

If you can't find it:

 

[KCFlyer]

I can't quite figure how you can see it that way.....

It seems if anything....Clinton ignored it.Wasn't Clinton in office when all or most of the following happened?



Clinton did little to effect retaliation......Bush went after them.

If you can't find it:

Yeah..."bin laden determined to strike america" wasn't clear enough for Bush. In that respect - having been told in January and reminded again in August, Bush did just as much as Clinton did.

BTW...Between 1991 and 1996, Congress was more intent on investigating real estate deals and travel office deals, and a "murder" and sexual harassment allegations that Clinton had little time to do much else. When he DID try a missle attack, it was only an effort to divert attention from one of the many scandals.

You're right..after 9/11 Bush went after them...didn't catch them and cut and ran to get a different target in Saddam, but he went after them.

 

[Cosworth]

GW went after OBL after they struck on American soil. GW had the same info that you claim Clinton ignored. GW had 9 months in which to effect retaliation but he did not. His hands were tied the same as Clintons were.

Any fool can go running after a horse who has flown the coop. The trick is not letting the horse out of the stall in the first place. Both POTUS had the info and neither were able to do anything. Why I do not know. I would guess it had to to with bad intel and popular opinion.

 

[Cosworth]

Damn. Now everyone will think KC and I are the same person since we are arguing the same point at the same time. I wonder how many more alias we have?

 

[Tug McGroin]

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

BELIEVE ME.."tech".................KCFlyer doesn't have to !!

Could it BE, that KCFlyer knows a Sham when he see's/hears one ?
Could it be, that KCFlyer can separate Issues like religion and Politics ?

(trust me, I could go on, and on, and on) !

"Some" of the JCL's(johnny come latelys) to this board(s)..don't REMEMBER when KCFlyer & I went at each other with a vengeance, over Issues.

(But ALWAYS with A measure of Respect)

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why the “Johnny come latelyâ€￾ crowd on this board don’t remember when you and KCFlyer went at each other with a vengeance. They weren’t here!!

 

[Tug McGroin]

Damn. Now everyone will think KC and I are the same person since we are arguing the same point at the same time. I wonder how many more alias we have?

If you have a problem with me or any question I raised on this board, you should grow a pair and take it up with me in manner that doesn’t display your childish, schoolyard behavior. Man enough?

 

[KCFlyer]

If you have a problem with me or any question I raised on this board, you should grow a pair and take it up with me in manner that doesn’t display your childish, schoolyard behavior. Man enough?

Are you saying "mines bigger"?

 

[Tug McGroin]

I'm a stand up guy...what can I say. And yes, he's quite capable of doing that himself. But when a poster (tug) includes in their response things that question the intellect (GED) or the "manhood" (take your man purse), then he pretty much lowers whatever statement he was trying to make. I'm only trying to HELP tug...make your point and leave the personal comments out. Bears does.

Spare me your righteous indignation, I didn’t ask for your help nor do I need it. You’re a “stand-up guy†only to the extent that you stand up for people who are in total agreement with your political inclination. I’ve noticed that your self proclaimed designation as a “stand-up guy†has deterred you from participation in a pussy boy game of mockery and intimidation directed towards me for suggesting Black Bears may be engaged in the widely used practice of single user, dual registration.

I must have missed your reprimand of Black Bears when he referred to me as a right wing nut. Black Bears makes it a practice to disparage me and other right wing advocates, calling us morons and idiots for exercising our constitution right to vote Republican.

Where’s the “stand-up guy†reprimand of Black Bears when he willfully slanders the Republican Attorney General of Alabama by purposely propagating a vicious, unsubstantiated rumor of a homosexual relationship? Where’s that “stand-up guy†reprimand of Black Bears when he stereotyped the honest, hard working citizens of South Carolina as living in doublewide trailer homes, driving worn out pick-up trucks and clinging to their religion?

You must be hopelessly consumed in your oppressive politically correct world when the term “man-purse†invokes images of disparaging language. You ever wear a fanny pack? Any of the guys you hang around with ever jokingly refer to it as a “man-purse� You want to reprimand me for making a reference to a “man-purse� GTF out of here!

Being ultra-sensitive to disparaging remarks, you must have missed the opportunity to exact a reprimand to the member that called me racist for using the words “black†and E-mail†in the same sentence! When this member became aware that I am married to a black woman and have three biracial children, he never found the testicular fortitude to offer an apology. I forgave him, even though he never apologized, because I understand this behavior as unique to the Democrat Party. I’m sure it has taken a while for him to overcome the grief the term “man-purse†brought on him but I’m sure he has forgiven me. If he needs your help I’m sure he’ll call.

If you’ve ever read any of Black Bears posts on other message boards, you’ll notice he doesn’t have difficultly expressing himself. He’s able to write in concise, coherent and structured sentences. I don’t understand why he insists on writing like a third grader when he comes to “The Water Coolerâ€. When I made the statement about the GED, I was only trying to HELP Black Bears. Understand KCFlyer?

 

[KCFlyer]

pussy boy

In the words of your likely hero, Ronald Reagan, There you go again
.

Where’s the “stand-up guy†reprimand of Black Bears when he willfully slanders the Republican Attorney General of Alabama by purposely propagating a vicious, unsubstantiated rumor of a homosexual relationship?

I'm sorry, I didn't know the Republican Attorney General of Alabama was posting here...please provide me with his handle and I will reprimand Bears forthwith. Bears calls a spade a spade...the fact of the matter is, the GOP ran (and runs) on "family values". They (not the democrats) sponsor state bills to define marriage because two men "marrying" will destroy the "sanctity of marriage"...then these fine upstanding men are caught...engaging or propositioning homosexual acts.

Where’s that “stand-up guy†when he stereotyped the honest, hard working citizens of South Carolina as living in doublewide trailer homes, driving worn out pick-up trucks and clinging to their religion?

I'm sorry, I didn't see your reprimand of our war hero vice president when he disparaged the honest hard working citizens of West Virginia when he said he had Cheney's on both sides of his family, and they weren't even from West Virginia. Do you know how the republicans win the southern red states? God, Guns and Gays. Sorry to burst your bubble there...but the folks who voted them in on God guns and gays got NOTHING back from the GOP...if anything they've been HURT by the GOP, yet they'll continue to vote as long as those "redneck" issues are trotted out come election time.

"man-purse†invokes images of disparaging language. You ever wear a fanny pack? Any of the guys you hang around with ever jokingly refer to it as a “man-purse� You want to reprimand me for making a reference to a “man-purse� GTF out of here!

Oh...so you only meant 'Man purse" in the nicest sense of the word...right? Oh...and congratulations on being married to a black woman. You are indeed a rarity in the Republican party as many of the South Carolina families that Bears disparaged in his post still use the "n word" (pardon my political correctness, but I find the other word to be horribly offensive) to describe your wife's race.

If you’ve ever read any of Black Bears posts on other message boards, you’ll notice he doesn’t have difficultly expressing himself. He’s able to write in concise, coherent and structured sentences. I don’t understand why he insists on writing like a third grader when he comes to “The Water Coolerâ€. When I made the statement about the GED, I was only trying to HELP Black Bears. Understand KCFlyer?

About all I've really noticed is that a lot of your posts have ad hominem attacks on the poster. And bears posts on other boards seem to be quite similar to what he posts on other boards. I guess here, it's just that he sees how screwed up GW Bush has this country and he isn't happy about it. I'm sure that you didn't let your emotions get in your way when you were posting to any boards about that "lyin prick Clinton" when he was impeached.

 

[tech2101]

In the words of your likely hero, Ronald Reagan, There you go again

Indeed. "There you go again." Defending NHBB's.

And bears posts on other boards seem to be quite similar to what he posts on other boards. I guess here, it's just that he sees how screwed up GW Bush has this country and he isn't happy about it.

 

[Tug McGroin]

In the words of your likely hero, Ronald Reagan, There you go again
.



I'm sorry, I didn't know the Republican Attorney General of Alabama was posting here...please provide me with his handle and I will reprimand Bears forthwith. Bears calls a spade a spade...the fact of the matter is, the GOP ran (and runs) on "family values". They (not the democrats) sponsor state bills to define marriage because two men "marrying" will destroy the "sanctity of marriage"...then these fine upstanding men are caught...engaging or propositioning homosexual acts.

I'm sorry, I didn't see your reprimand of our war hero vice president when he disparaged the honest hard working citizens of West Virginia when he said he had Cheney's on both sides of his family, and they weren't even from West Virginia. Do you know how the republicans win the southern red states? God, Guns and Gays. Sorry to burst your bubble there...but the folks who voted them in on God guns and gays got NOTHING back from the GOP...if anything they've been HURT by the GOP, yet they'll continue to vote as long as those "redneck" issues are trotted out come election time.
Oh...so you only meant 'Man purse" in the nicest sense of the word...right? Oh...and congratulations on being married to a black woman. You are indeed a rarity in the Republican party as many of the South Carolina families that Bears disparaged in his post still use the "n word" (pardon my political correctness, but I find the other word to be horribly offensive) to describe your wife's race.

About all I've really noticed is that a lot of your posts have ad hominem attacks on the poster. And bears posts on other boards seem to be quite similar to what he posts on other boards. I guess here, it's just that he sees how screwed up GW Bush has this country and he isn't happy about it. I'm sure that you didn't let your emotions get in your way when you were posting to any boards about that "lyin prick Clinton" when he was impeached.

pussy boy

Hey, I’m like Black Bears too, I call a Spade a Spade. Got it?

By the way, isn’t “spade†a word used to describe a black person? Don’t worry, I don’t wear my feelings on my shoulder like the sensitive guys.

I'm sorry, I didn't know the Republican Attorney General of Alabama was posting here...please provide me with his handle and I will reprimand Bears forthwith. Bears calls a spade a spade...the fact of the matter is, the GOP ran (and runs) on "family values". They (not the democrats) sponsor state bills to define marriage because two men "marrying" will destroy the "sanctity of marriage"...then these fine upstanding men are caught...engaging or propositioning homosexual acts.

Before you run with Black Bears fabricated story on Alabama AG Troy King, you might want to verify the story with a credible news source before running your trap. Get back with me when you find the story.

I'm sorry, I didn't see your reprimand of our war hero vice president when he disparaged the honest hard working citizens of West Virginia when he said he had Cheney's on both sides of his family, and they weren't even from West Virginia. Do you know how the republicans win the southern red states? God, Guns and Gays. Sorry to burst your bubble there...but the folks who voted them in on God guns and gays got NOTHING back from the GOP...if anything they've been HURT by the GOP, yet they'll continue to vote as long as those "redneck" issues are trotted out come election time.

I’m not the one who has proclaimed himself the “stand-up guy†on this website, you are! Isn’t West Virginia represented by a former Grand Dragon of the KKK? Isn’t he a Democrat? I don’t see you reprimanding Senator Byrd, why should I reprimand Cheney?

Oh...so you only meant 'Man purse" in the nicest sense of the word...right? Oh...and congratulations on being married to a black woman. You are indeed a rarity in the Republican party as many of the South Carolina families that Bears disparaged in his post still use the "n word" (pardon my political correctness, but I find the other word to be horribly offensive) to describe your wife's race.

Don’t worry KCFlyer, you’re safe behind your keyboard. I don’t suppose you have any data to support your claim that there are more black women married to white Democrats as opposed white Republicans. As to the rarity statement, I suspect you pulled that one right out of your loose rectal database. I find the use of the word “spade†offensive to my wife’s race. You wanta start? Why don’t you post all the words that offend your sensitive little bleeding heart. We all know that you’re here to cater to your ultra sensitive feelings.

About all I've really noticed is that a lot of your posts have ad hominem attacks on the poster. And bears posts on other boards seem to be quite similar to what he posts on other boards. I guess here, it's just that he sees how screwed up GW Bush has this country and he isn't happy about it. I'm sure that you didn't let your emotions get in your way when you were posting to any boards about that "lyin prick Clinton" when he was impeached.

I’ve noticed that there are a few, perpetually offended, left wing members on this site that like to gang bang the right wingers when they post. I’m not affected by your cry of “aah, he’s attacking me†bullsh*t. I’m I affected by the numerous victim “cards†played by left. Cry all you want KCFlyer, when you attack me, I’m going for the kill! That’s the Naval Aviator coming out of me. You want play, bring your sh*t, you’re going to need it.

Note; you might want to seek professional help dealing with that terminal case of Bush Delusional Syndrome.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

YO,....Tug,

Allow ME to help you with the Troy(boy) King story !

The following was told to me, by the "News Desk" of the Largest Newspaper In 'Bama
(Even you could take advantage of those free..."800" numbers)

When I inquired about the King story, I was told that the Paper had "3" reporters out, gathering the Info needed to keep the Paper free from a Libel suit, ...BUT they had NO doubt that the story was TRUE.

And,...Oh,..by the way,............."REPUG" candidate Johnny Mac had ANY, and ALL endorsements from King, ERASED from johnmccain.com.

NOW Tug,................"Why do you think McC would do that" ???????????????

WE'll ALL...wait with baited breath for your response !!


To YOUR suggestion of Folks getting Professional help,......................Personally, Given his Abysmal Disastrous RECORD,..I think that anyone who voted for Bush :wacko: :blink: :eye: ..would benefit from PROFESSIONAL HELP :mf_boff: