soc-hpjester
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903aw, The problem may be the noise abatement slots. Boeing's are more restrictive than 319/320 as to when they can depart SNA. Don't know if they could even get a long haul slot approved.
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Delta uses a 757 TUS-ATL. United uses a 319 TUS-IAD. Northwest uses a 319 TUS-MSP. It's an untapped market and we are STUPID to be ignoring it.
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Correct, I was talking about SNA "E" slots.
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Actually I believe US-East *did* fly 2 or 3 flts into SNA before the merger... can anyone confirm?
(although US did get in there w/ the PSA assimilation..)
(although US did get in there w/ the PSA assimilation..)
US did have SNA-PHL flights at one time.
Also, up until now where exactly did HP have flights to send anywhere but PHX/LAS from TUS? I know now PHL and CLT would be a possibility, but since they havent started anything like connecting the dots, there isnt a reason to suspect that they are ignoring only the TUS market. When/if they integrate, they could easily throw a PHX-TUS-CLT or PHL flight in and it wouldnt take too much out of the day routing wise. US also had a PIT-PHX-TUS flight and a couple others into TUS, but my old schedules are under the guest bed and I dont feel like taking it apart right now to get to them. MGA707 help?
Also, up until now where exactly did HP have flights to send anywhere but PHX/LAS from TUS? I know now PHL and CLT would be a possibility, but since they havent started anything like connecting the dots, there isnt a reason to suspect that they are ignoring only the TUS market. When/if they integrate, they could easily throw a PHX-TUS-CLT or PHL flight in and it wouldnt take too much out of the day routing wise. US also had a PIT-PHX-TUS flight and a couple others into TUS, but my old schedules are under the guest bed and I dont feel like taking it apart right now to get to them. MGA707 help?
In addition to DL's ATL flights and UA's new nonstop TUS-IAD service, jetBlue has been flying to JFK since last fall, and CO reinstated their previously seasonal TUS-EWR flight.
The nonstop East Coast market has definitely grown. I'll wager that WN will add TUS-BWI before long (they just added a second TUS-MDW nonstop).
UAS is missing the boat by not offering TUS-CLT and/or TUS-PHL.
Gladly. The only time HP flew anywhere else out of TUS was way back when they first started service here (summer 1984). At that time one of the PHX-TUS 737s continued on to ELP, with one reverse ELP-TUS-PHX flight also. That did not last long, probably barely into 1985.
There was a big local stink here back in the late '80s when HP replaced about half of their jet flights (at that time mostly 737s with one or two 757s) with Dash-8s, which were also mainline HP at the time. When chapter 11 came along in 1991 and they shortly thereafter dumped the Dash-8 'airline within and airline' operation the TUS-PHX schedule returned to all jets (still mostly 737s with a few 'buses and one 320 to LAS). Mesa gradually took over more and more of the trips once they came on board as HP Express, but some mainline service remained until post-9/11--2002 IIRC.
I knew US had brought back the two mainline 319 trips last fall for the winter schedule, and was unaware that they were gone as of this month. I'm sure they'll be back in the fall, as Nov to Apr is still definitely the peak season here.
USAir started serving TUS in 1980, but their service was always just a PHX 'tag' until the PSA takeover in '87 when they inherited PSA's TUS-LAX flights. As we all know, US gutted the PSA system within a few years so that route didn't last long once 'the smile' was gone. US kept one TUS-PHX 'tag' flight until the early '90s when they pulled out entirely.
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After the initial pulldown on the PSA system, SNA was reduced to 2 dailies to PIT. It ended around the time Wolf ended service to MLB, DAB, SAT, & AUS. It was then restarted with a daily to PHL and CLT. As soon as the merger was announced, it ended again.
SNA is capacity slot controlled and has VERY strict noise abatement rules. Basically, you sit at the end of the runway with the parking brake on, throw up the throttles and catapult off the runway. You climb like hell to 1,500, and throw the throttles back to idle until you cross the beach, then you can power back up and continue the climb.
SNA is capacity slot controlled and has VERY strict noise abatement rules. Basically, you sit at the end of the runway with the parking brake on, throw up the throttles and catapult off the runway. You climb like hell to 1,500, and throw the throttles back to idle until you cross the beach, then you can power back up and continue the climb.
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Actually, SNA was not one of the cities discontinued in 1997. They were MLB, DAB, SAT, AUS, and ABQ while mainline service was terminated to CVG, BGR, ISP, and SWF. SNA retained its 2 daily flights to PIT until 2003 when it was switched over to 1 PIT and 1 PHL. It was discontinued altogether in 2004 when Siegel?? said that the fares at SNA were "too low to be profitable." When and if this airline decides to grow, I think that CLT, and especially PHL to SNA will do well. For the record, CLT-SNA has never been flown (nor announced) by US.
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Wrong. They moved the evening PIT SNA to PHL SNA for almost a year, then discontinued it. This occurred waaaaay after MLB DAB SAT AUS stopped.
Absolutly, Southwest has doubled their operation and just added another gate. They started TUS-MDW last year and it's gone gang busters since. Alaska uses a 737 TUS-SEA, and American only uses MD-80's and 757's. I not saying we should stop all rj service, just supplement with larger aircraft. I think the market is good for the E190, if they won't use 73's or Airbuses, then at least use the Embraer.
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Yields out of TUS, for every airline, are cr@ppy (sadly, a lot like PHX..). Plain and simple. Frequent RJ's are a smart way to go. There are many, many higher yielding city pairs where mainline can be used.
Prove it.
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Been proven time and time again. Airlines simply do not fly mainline equipment to places that produce depressed yields. No doubt, TUS could fill several 737s a day. The yield is not there. If it was, the planes would be there. No conspiracy, just reality. I know it's hard to accept. 🙁
