July 2012 Airport Activity

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Based off the July 2012 schedule as it stands, here are the top airports for AA and Eagle. It's been a while since I've had reliable OAG data to query, but this might help out as y'all try to figure out which stations might stay insourced...


AA Mainline, Top 26 (more than 10 flights per day)
Code:
DFW      457      
MIA      229      
ORD      159      
LAX      74      
JFK      55      
LGA      43      
BOS      32      
SFO      28      
MCO      26      
DCA      26      
STL      26      
AUS      21      
LAS      21      
LHR      19      
TPA      17      
SEA      16      
SJU      16      
SAT      15      
ATL      14      
SNA      13      
SAN      13      
DEN      13      
RDU      12      
MSP      11      
PHL      11      
IAH      11      

1804 Daily Flights


Eagle Top 24 Cities (10 or more per day, does not include Connection)

Code:
DFW	280
ORD	272
LGA	66
MIA	60
LAX	38
JFK	25
DCA	23
BNA	22
SJU	22
RDU	21
CMH	20
ATL	18
CLT	16
YYZ	16
XNA	16
DTW	15
CVG	15
CLE	14
YUL	13
DSM	10
SGF	10
GRK	10
LIT	10
PNS	10

1547 Daily Flights

Connection has 122 daily flights, 61 @ ORD, not worth listing in a table
 
JFK: True, there are fewer mainline flights, but as of Apr 3, 37 of the 66 Eagle flights will be two-class CRJ-700s, for a total of 80 two-class flights.

I understand the issues that raises, given that you would obviously rather see more mainline two-class flights than Eagle flights, but is the AA/Eagle combined presence really smaller than it was 20 years ago? Depends on the fleet mix that LGA saw in 1992. Weren't very many 757s in the fleet at that point, so it would have been MD-80s and maybe some 767s/DC-10s. I see quite a few 757s and 738s in the schedule today, so the seat count may be the same or even higher than in 1992.

IIRC, AA obtained some LGA slots in the TWA asset purchase, probably causing AA to have more flights today than in March, 2001, before that deal was finalized. Good thing Arpey's offer from several years ago to retire some RJ slots was rejected - the feds said they'd be doled out to others if AA stopped using them.

109 total departures pales next to Delta's schedule, but still looks fairly impressive.

History may show that another Arpey blunder was his failure to offer US cash in exchange for its LGA slots that it gave away to DL in exchange for DCA slots plus $65 million. As I'm certain WT would agree, that was a very advantageous deal for DL.
 
JFK: True, there are fewer mainline flights, but as of Apr 3, 37 of the 66 Eagle flights will be two-class CRJ-700s, for a total of 80 two-class flights.

I understand the issues that raises, given that you would obviously rather see more mainline two-class flights than Eagle flights, but is the AA/Eagle combined presence really smaller than it was 20 years ago? Depends on the fleet mix that LGA saw in 1992. Weren't very many 757s in the fleet at that point, so it would have been MD-80s and maybe some 767s/DC-10s. I see quite a few 757s and 738s in the schedule today, so the seat count may be the same or even higher than in 1992.

IIRC, AA obtained some LGA slots in the TWA asset purchase, probably causing AA to have more flights today than in March, 2001, before that deal was finalized. Good thing Arpey's offer from several years ago to retire some RJ slots was rejected - the feds said they'd be doled out to others if AA stopped using them.

109 total departures pales next to Delta's schedule, but still looks fairly impressive.

History may show that another Arpey blunder was his failure to offer US cash in exchange for its LGA slots that it gave away to DL in exchange for DCA slots plus $65 million. As I'm certain WT would agree, that was a very advantageous deal for DL.
That's a big maybe. Far too early to predict whether or not US LGA slots swapped with Delta will be profitable.
 
Based off the July 2012 schedule as it stands, here are the top airports for AA and Eagle. It's been a while since I've had reliable OAG data to query, but this might help out as y'all try to figure out which stations might stay insourced...


AA Mainline, Top 26 (more than 10 flights per day)
Code:
DFW      457      
MIA      229      
ORD      159      
LAX      74      
JFK      55      
LGA      43      
BOS      32      
SFO      28      
MCO      26      
DCA      26      
STL      26      
AUS      21      
LAS      21      
LHR      19      
TPA      17      
SEA      16      
SJU      16      
SAT      15      
ATL      14      
SNA      13      
SAN      13      
DEN      13      
RDU      12      
MSP      11      
PHL      11      
IAH      11      

1804 Daily Flights


Eagle Top 24 Cities (10 or more per day, does not include Connection)

Code:
DFW	280
ORD	272
LGA	66
MIA	60
LAX	38
JFK	25
DCA	23
BNA	22
SJU	22
RDU	21
CMH	20
ATL	18
CLT	16
YYZ	16
XNA	16
DTW	15
CVG	15
CLE	14
YUL	13
DSM	10
SGF	10
GRK	10
LIT	10
PNS	10

1547 Daily Flights

Connection has 122 daily flights, 61 @ ORD, not worth listing in a table

Does anyone have a good guess of when we will start seeing the layoffs take place at the outsourced stations not on this list?
 
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Just a guess, but it would have to be after an agreement is reached with the TWU, or the company gets court approval to abrogate the contract.


Here's the full listing, breaking out the cities already subject to outsourcing, and those which might qualify under the term sheet:

Dests: destinations served
All: all flights, including codeshare


Code:
City  Dests   All     AA    Eag   Codeshare
Sys    460   5139   1804   1752   1583
DFW    174    739    457    280      2
MIA    108    299    229     60     10
ORD    120    504    159    335     10
LAX     62    166     74     42     50
JFK     57    104     55     25     24
LGA     16    109     43     66      0
BOS      9     37     32      0      5
SFO     14     50     28      0     22
DCA      8     49     26     23      0
STL     12     54     26      3     25
MCO      7     28     26      0      2
LAS     10     30     21      1      8
AUS      4     21     21      0      0
-------------------------------------------- Below could be outsourced under term sheet (7300 annual)
LHR     77    199     19      0    180
TPA      5     18     17      0      1
SJU     17     39     16     22      1
SEA     32    162     16      0    146
SAT      2     18     15      3      0
ATL      5     33     14     18      1
SAN      7     31     13      5     13
DEN      7     24     13      5      6
SNA      4     25     13      0     12
RDU      7     33     12     21      0
MSP      4     1      11      8      0
IAH      5     20     11      7      2
PHL      4     17     11      5      1
PHX      8     19     10      2      7
IAD      4     13     10      0      3
MEX      4     12     10      0      2
CUN      4     10     10      0      0
FLL      4     10     10      0      0
BNA      7     31      9     22      0
EWR      7     22      9      6      7
BWI      5     16      9      6      1
MCI      2     14      9      5      0
MSY      3     12      9      3      0
DTW      5     24      8     15      1
ABQ      3     12      8      4      0
ELP      3     12      8      4      0
TUS      3     10      8      2      0
-------------------------------------------- Below could be outsourced under current agreement (2555 annual)
TUL      2     12      7      5      0         
SJC      5     20      7      2     11
PAP      3      7      7      0      0
CLT      4     22      6     16      0
OKC      3     13      6      7      0
GRU     15     22      6      0     16
CDG      9     13      6      0      7
CCS      3      6      6      0      0
IND      4     16      5     11      0
SDQ      3      8      5      3      0
SLC      3      8      5      3      0
PDX     17     70      5      0     65
COS      1      5      5      0      0
SJO      2      5      5      0      0
CMH      5     24      4     20      0
YUL      9     21      4     15      2
PIT      4     13      4      9      0
OMA      2      9      4      5      0
MEM      3      9      4      5      0
ICT      2      8      4      4      0
STT      3      7      4      3      0
RNO      3      6      4      2      0
SMF      4     11      4      1      6
NRT     23     34      4      0     30
ONT      3     10      4      0      6
EZE      3      4      4      0      0
MBJ      2      4      4      0      0
GUA      2      4      4      0      0
MFE      1      4      4      0      0
KIN      1      4      4      0      0
YYZ     17     54      3     36     15
LIT      2     13      3     10      0
RIC      3      9      3      6      0
JAX      3      9      3      6      0
BDL      3      8      3      5      0
DAY      2      7      3      4      0
HSV      2      6      3      3      0
PUJ      2      6      3      3      0
BHM      2      5      3      2      0
STI      3      4      3      1      0
MAD     52    102      3      0     99
HNL     11     34      3      0     31
OGG      3     11      3      0      8
RSW      3      4      3      0      1
MGA      1      3      3      0      0
BGI      2      3      3      0      0
BZE      2      3      3      0      0
PTY      1      3      3      0      0
GCM      1      3      3      0      0
MTY      1      3      3      0      0
PBI      2      3      3      0      0
SJD      2      3      3      0      0
BOG      1      3      3      0      0
XNA      3     18      2     16      0
CLE      5     16      2     14      0
YVR     14     26      2      7     17
SDF      3      9      2      7      0
STX      2      5      2      3      0
ORF      3      5      2      3      0
FAT      2      4      2      2      0
LIM      9     15      2      0     13
BCN     10     13      2      0     11
SCL      7     10      2      0      8
MAN      4      8      2      0      6
FCO      4      7      2      0      5
GYE      4      7      2      0      5
GIG      6      6      2      0      4
UIO      3      6      2      0      4
PVG      2      2      2      0      0
AUA      1      2      2      0      0
PLS      1      2      2      0      0
SXM      1      2      2      0      0
SAP      1      2      2      0      0
SAL      2      2      2      0      0
CUR      1      2      2      0      0
POS      1      2      2      0      0
BDA      2      2      2      0      0
YYC     16     24      1     17      6
DSM      2     11      1     10      0
NAS      2      9      1      8      0
MKE      2      7      1      6      0
GDL      3      5      1      1      3
ANU      2      2      1      1      0
ANC      7     28      1      0     27
HND     10     15      1      0     14
BRU      7     12      1      0     11
ZRH      5     10      1      0      9
FRA      7     10      1      0      9
LIH      2      9      1      0      8
HEL      5      9      1      0      8
KOA      2      8      1      0      7
MXP      5      6      1      0      5
SSA      4      5      1      0      4
REC      4      4      1      0      3
PSP      2      3      1      0      2
DUB      3      3      1      0      2
BSB      3      3      1      0      2
CNF      2      2      1      0      1
MAO      1      1      1      0      0
TGU      1      1      1      0      0
LPB      1      1      1      0      0
JAC      1      1      1      0      0
CZM      1      1      1      0      0
MDE      1      1      1      0      0
VVI      1      1      1      0      0
CLO      1      1      1      0      0
UVF      1      1      1      0      0
LIR      1      1      1      0      0
POP      1      1      1      0      0
SKB      1      1      1      0      0
EGE      1      1      1      0      0
MVD      1      1      1      0      0
PEK      1      1      1      0      0
MAR      1      1      1      0      0
 
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Corrected data.... there was an error in the query above that was dropping some flights due to day-of-week variations... doesn't materially change the list below 21 flights, but it did move a couple up above the 2555 mark.


Code:
DepCity Destinations Flights     Mainline    Branded     Codeshare
------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Sys     481          5600        1935        1846        1819
DFW     173          780         494         284         2
MIA     109          313         236         65          12
ORD     120          511         163         338         10
LAX     64           210         90          66          54
JFK     59           116         66          25          25
LGA     16           113         47          66          0
BOS     9            40          35          0           5
SFO     14           56          32          0           24
DCA     8            51          27          24          0
STL     12           56          27          3           26
MCO     7            29          27          0           2
LAS     10           33          25          1           7
AUS     4            23          23          0           0
-------------------------------------------- Below could be outsourced under term sheet (7300 annual)
LHR     78           247         19          0           228
SEA     33           164         17          0           147
TPA     5            18          17          0           1
SJU     17           39          16          23          0
DEN     7            27          15          6           6
SAT     2            18          15          3           0
ATL     5            33          14          18          1
SAN     8            38          14          11          13
SNA     4            25          13          0           12
RDU     7            35          12          23          0
MSP     4            19          11          8           0
IAH     5            20          11          7           2
PHX     8            23          11          5           7
PHL     4            18          11          5           2
MEX     4            13          11          0           2
FLL     4            11          11          0           0
CUN     4            11          11          0           0
BNA     7            32          10          22          0
EWR     7            25          10          8           7
MCI     2            15          10          5           0
IAD     4            13          10          0           3
BWI     5            16          9           6           1
MSY     3            12          9           3           0
YYZ     18           68          8           44          16
DTW     4            23          8           15          0
ABQ     3            14          8           6           0
TUL     2            13          8           5           0
ELP     3            12          8           4           0
TUS     3            11          8           3           0
-------------------------------------------- Below could be outsourced under current agreement (2555 annual)
OKC     3            14          7           7           0
SJC     6            25          7           6           12
PAP     3            7           7           0           0
CLT     4            22          6           16          0
HNL     11           36          6           0           30
GRU     15           22          6           0           16
CDG     9            15          6           0           9
CCS     3            6           6           0           0
CMH     5            26          5           21          0
IND     4            16          5           11          0
OMA     2            10          5           5           0
SLC     3            10          5           5           0
SDQ     3            8           5           3           0
PDX     17           70          5           0           65
SJO     2            5           5           0           0
COS     1            5           5           0           0
YUL     9            21          4           15          2
PIT     4            13          4           9           0
JAX     3            10          4           6           0
BDL     3            9           4           5           0
MEM     3            9           4           5           0
SMF     3            13          4           4           5
ICT     2            8           4           4           0
STT     3            7           4           3           0
PUJ     3            7           4           3           0
RNO     3            7           4           3           0
NRT     23           34          4           0           30
ONT     3            10          4           0           6
SJD     2            4           4           0           0
EZE     3            4           4           0           0
MTY     1            4           4           0           0
MBJ     2            4           4           0           0
GUA     2            4           4           0           0
KIN     1            4           4           0           0
MFE     1            4           4           0           0
CLE     5            17          3           14          0
LIT     2            13          3           10          0
YVR     14           28          3           8           17
SDF     3            10          3           7           0
RIC     3            9           3           6           0
DAY     2            7           3           4           0
HSV     2            6           3           3           0
ORF     3            6           3           3           0
BHM     2            5           3           2           0
BGI     3            4           3           1           0
STI     3            4           3           1           0
MAD     58           126         3           0           123
OGG     3            11          3           0           8
BZE     2            3           3           0           0
MGA     1            3           3           0           0
RSW     2            3           3           0           0
PTY     1            3           3           0           0
GCM     1            3           3           0           0
PBI     2            3           3           0           0
BOG     1            3           3           0           0
YYC     17           26          2           18          6
XNA     3            18          2           16          0
DSM     2            12          2           10          0
MKE     2            8           2           6           0
FAT     2            7           2           5           0
STX     2            5           2           3           0
ANU     3            3           2           1           0
BCN     11           20          2           0           18
SCL     12           19          2           0           17
LIM     9            17          2           0           15
MAN     6            13          2           0           11
FCO     4            7           2           0           5
UIO     3            6           2           0           4
GIG     6            6           2           0           4
PVG     2            2           2           0           0
POS     1            2           2           0           0
BDA     2            2           2           0           0
SXM     1            2           2           0           0
AUA     1            2           2           0           0
PLS     1            2           2           0           0
SAP     1            2           2           0           0
CUR     1            2           2           0           0
NAS     2            9           1           8           0
GDL     3            6           1           2           3
SKB     2            2           1           1           0
ANC     7            28          1           0           27
HEL     16           21          1           0           20
HND     10           15          1           0           14
ZRH     7            13          1           0           12
FRA     8            13          1           0           12
BRU     8            13          1           0           12
LIH     2            9           1           0           8
KOA     2            9           1           0           8
GYE     4            6           1           0           5
SSA     4            5           1           0           4
MXP     5            5           1           0           4
REC     4            4           1           0           3
DUB     3            3           1           0           2
PSP     2            3           1           0           2
PVR     3            3           1           0           2
BSB     3            3           1           0           2
CNF     2            2           1           0           1
MDE     1            1           1           0           0
GND     1            1           1           0           0
VVI     1            1           1           0           0
CZM     1            1           1           0           0
CLO     1            1           1           0           0
LPB     1            1           1           0           0
TGU     1            1           1           0           0
MAO     1            1           1           0           0
JAC     1            1           1           0           0
UVF     1            1           1           0           0
LIR     1            1           1           0           0
MAR     1            1           1           0           0
POP     1            1           1           0           0
SAL     1            1           1           0           0
EGE     1            1           1           0           0
MVD     1            1           1           0           0
PEK     1            1           1           0           0
 
If/when AA drops BOS-LHR, woul d that pave the way to outsource handling at BOS? Makes little sense to operate the flight and associated costs of keeping an international FA base open to run the trip with 757s to retain LHR slots that could be used elsewhere.

Josh
 
Just a guess, but it would have to be after an agreement is reached with the TWU, or the company gets court approval to abrogate the contract.
Maybe the poster was asking about the unrepresentative employee groups
Will the ax fall on them when the unions get the word?

Does anyone have a good guess of when we will start seeing the layoffs take place at the outsourced stations not on this list?
 
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If/when AA drops BOS-LHR, woul d that pave the way to outsource handling at BOS? Makes little sense to operate the flight and associated costs of keeping an international FA base open to run the trip with 757s to retain LHR slots that could be used elsewhere.

Josh

First of all..... not trying to be overly rude here, but if you can't read the data already present, please don't ask the question without expecting a bit of rebuke along the way...

There are two lines in the scheduled departure chart, and they are pretty explicit about what each represents.

AA's got 40 departures at BOS, and the proposed outsourcing floor is for 20 departures or below. It's going to take a lot more of a reduction at BOS before anyone discusses outsourcing....

Second of all.... AA's term sheet for the FA's eliminates the split domestic/international crew bases, and BOS will likely remain a base for domestic flights. Once the integration takes place, there's little to no incremental cost to maintaining the routing

Third of all.... what makes you think AA is even considering dropping BOS-LHR?

DL dropped out because AA and BA are carrying between 55 and 65% of the traffic. He with the better pattern of service usually wins, despite the belief that aircraft type alone will dictate the average business traveler's buying decision. And right now, AA/BA have a pattern of service which is capturing the peak & off-peak travel quite nicely (BA in the peak departure hours, and AA in the cleanup position). With revenue pooling in place, it doesn't matter who operates the metal.
 
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This is good stuff, E. Thanks for doing the legwork.

Thanks, and it's just started, Kev. I'm just waiting for some free time to do some before & after comparisons for a 2009 schedule vs 2012 schedule for DL and UA to see where those "merger benefits" were.
 
First of all..... not trying to be overly rude here, but if you can't read the data already present, please don't ask the question without expecting a bit of rebuke along the way...

There are two lines in the scheduled departure chart, and they are pretty explicit about what each represents.

AA's got 40 departures at BOS, and the proposed outsourcing floor is for 20 departures or below. It's going to take a lot more of a reduction at BOS before anyone discusses outsourcing....

Second of all.... AA's term sheet for the FA's eliminates the split domestic/international crew bases, and BOS will likely remain a base for domestic flights. Once the integration takes place, there's little to no incremental cost to maintaining the routing

Third of all.... what makes you think AA is even considering dropping BOS-LHR?

DL dropped out because AA and BA are carrying between 55 and 65% of the traffic. He with the better pattern of service usually wins, despite the belief that aircraft type alone will dictate the average business traveler's buying decision. And right now, AA/BA have a pattern of service which is capturing the peak & off-peak travel quite nicely (BA in the peak departure hours, and AA in the cleanup position). With revenue pooling in place, it doesn't matter who operates the metal.

First off, I didn't catch that DL is ending BOS-LHR, although it was reduced to 1x they haven't discontinued the route. Secondly, while it may appear from your unattributed and perhaps unauthentic that 20 departures is the proposed threshold its entirely conceivable more comes into play-perhaps ASMs, logistical considerations, operating costs at certain stations-I don't know. What I do know is when evaluating any data set you should never draw conclusions with certainty. It just seems to me given the ATI benefits and downgrade to 757s AA really doesn't have an interest or compelling need to serve this route. Face it, no one expects to fly to London on 757s-I could understand flying 757s to Bristol, Dublin, Edinburgh, or even Manchester but London? Seriously? I've only taken it once since April 2011 when the evening flight became 757 and vividly remember Britons onboard joking that this plane was heading to Manchester Ontario. No thanks, never again. BA is much better and provides consistent and professional service with better facilities on both ends, and I've even gotten NF several times on the route.

Josh
 
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