TWU / AMFA Debate
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You might under estimiate what the TWU will do to protect 1/2 Million Dollars in dues money per month.
I do not under estimate them , but I do find them quite predictable and enjoy watching them follow our lead time after time after time.
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I do not under estimate them , but I do find them quite predictable and enjoy watching them follow our lead time after time after time.
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This poll is dumb, just like the individuals who put it together.
Act like men and stand up and reply to the TWU. You made the proposal the TWU accepted the challenge and set the times and place. If amfa had any ethics they would not be playing games.
Act like men and stand up and reply to the TWU. You made the proposal the TWU accepted the challenge and set the times and place. If amfa had any ethics they would not be playing games.
CIO I don't think the pole is dumb and the fact that you think it is dumb means that probably more Mechanics will vote on it.
What I would really like to do is have someone bet me as to wether the TWU Leaders have the guts to show up, I took a huge pay cut and could really use the money on a sure bet.
It really bothers me that 3200 people did not get a chance to vote because the TWU had to be in such a hurry and bypass their own constituion of a 30 day paper ballot vote, those 3200 votes could have made a difference in the outcome of wether we gave all of our contract away or not. :angry:
What I would really like to do is have someone bet me as to wether the TWU Leaders have the guts to show up, I took a huge pay cut and could really use the money on a sure bet.
It really bothers me that 3200 people did not get a chance to vote because the TWU had to be in such a hurry and bypass their own constituion of a 30 day paper ballot vote, those 3200 votes could have made a difference in the outcome of wether we gave all of our contract away or not. :angry:
How professional! Whats next "I know you are but what am I"?Checking it Out said:
I think that sooner or later they will have to send someone, but you will never see Sonny Hall there. He is too busy courting management or getting taken to court by the members!
Well I hope you are right bob and they do send someone, I don't really care about seeing Sonny Hall as he is a Bus Driver and it would'nt be a very interesting debate with him there, I personally would rather see someone that could at least somewhat know what he is talking about.
but we should all flood Mr. Sonny Hall with email telling him to either show up or send someone to take his place in representing the TWU, we as members have a RIGHT to expect someone to show up and represent the TWU, thats what we pay those International officers the big bucks for.
but we should all flood Mr. Sonny Hall with email telling him to either show up or send someone to take his place in representing the TWU, we as members have a RIGHT to expect someone to show up and represent the TWU, thats what we pay those International officers the big bucks for.
Hey guys, time out. Look at the options Raptor. Now, do you truly believe these are just? You started the thread and left but one way to vote, I may be slow but I see the direction you intend.
Calling the TWU a coward is very shallow and without merit. If I called AMFA a coward because they wouldn't jump through my hoop would be just as wrong. And what does your poll prove or merit? It appears, and again I'm the slow one here, that you do not have much faith in your AMFA advocates @ AA. I have seen documents where TWU did in fact ask AMFA first for a debate between the mechanics. I have to admit I would rather hear from my fellow mechanics why they want AMFA or do not want AMFA or want the TWU or do not want the TWU. Mr. Delle and Mr. Little would probably talk over my head where I'd relate to my brothers a little easier.
Hope this explains my disapproval. Thank you.
Calling the TWU a coward is very shallow and without merit. If I called AMFA a coward because they wouldn't jump through my hoop would be just as wrong. And what does your poll prove or merit? It appears, and again I'm the slow one here, that you do not have much faith in your AMFA advocates @ AA. I have seen documents where TWU did in fact ask AMFA first for a debate between the mechanics. I have to admit I would rather hear from my fellow mechanics why they want AMFA or do not want AMFA or want the TWU or do not want the TWU. Mr. Delle and Mr. Little would probably talk over my head where I'd relate to my brothers a little easier.
Hope this explains my disapproval. Thank you.
Well Calvin Delle and Sonny do not talk over my head as a matter of fact I can relate with what they are saying and I am very interested in what they are saying, as for my fellow Mechanics, I debate them everyday and I have yet to get anything out of it, as I said I will be one of the many who will not be wasting my time listening to a bunch of Mechanics yell meaningless bullshit back and forth to each other, for the last time Mechanics as Individuals have no authority, represent no one or organization and their Personal opinions mean very little, so if you want to waste your time going to such a pointless debate then by all means do so, I have seen some posts claiming that a room that holds only 250 is not big enough, I would say that is true for the Delle vs Sonny debate but for a Mechanic only debate that room will be more than big enough
What a Joke Team TWU vs AMFA Supporters I am really glad the AMFA Supporters did not come up with something so lame.
We are not talking about the TWU jumping through anybody's hoops we are talking about a debate challenge between leaders much like the debates that will soon be happening in the Presidential elections, Leaders debating each other is a very common practice, you don't see the voters debating each other do you, no it is the Presidential canidates ( Leaders ) not the voters.
As for the Poll most Mechanics agree that either a TWU Leader shows up to defend the TWU and tell us why we should stay or they are cowards and will be replaced with someone who is not a coward it's as simple as that. ( Delle ) and AMFA
Lets remember that Pafca did not show for the debate with the TWU and lost the election, I personally believe that if Sonny of someone from the International does not stand up like a man and face Delle then the TWU will lose to AMFA, but hey I guess we will find out in about 2 weeks hugh.
What a Joke Team TWU vs AMFA Supporters I am really glad the AMFA Supporters did not come up with something so lame.
We are not talking about the TWU jumping through anybody's hoops we are talking about a debate challenge between leaders much like the debates that will soon be happening in the Presidential elections, Leaders debating each other is a very common practice, you don't see the voters debating each other do you, no it is the Presidential canidates ( Leaders ) not the voters.
As for the Poll most Mechanics agree that either a TWU Leader shows up to defend the TWU and tell us why we should stay or they are cowards and will be replaced with someone who is not a coward it's as simple as that. ( Delle ) and AMFA
Lets remember that Pafca did not show for the debate with the TWU and lost the election, I personally believe that if Sonny of someone from the International does not stand up like a man and face Delle then the TWU will lose to AMFA, but hey I guess we will find out in about 2 weeks hugh.
I say that Sonny Hall is a coward. I have merit to that claim.Calvin said:
Sonny Hall pressed charges against me and had me removed from office. He never addressed me face to face, refused my efforts to talk to him and refused to testify at his own Kangaroo Court.
He refuses to attend events like the NYC Labor Day Parade because he is afraid to face the membership. He moved out of Local 100's building, breaking a 70 year tradition and moved into a posh office building in midtown Manhattan in a move that further isolates him from the members and has security prevent members from going up to the offices.
This is your leader, a man that has been convicted of violating workers rights.
A man that uses illegal tactics to supress dissent.
A man who shuns his own members but gives awards to management officials who ban union officers from the property.
A man who embarrassed himself in front of the entire NYC labor movement in his attempts to sabotage a TWU Locals efforts to get better wages and benifits for their members.
A man that tried to split up that local, but the members rejected his efforts.
A man who is frequently blasted in New Yorks only indepedant Labor Newspaper "The Chief" because of his anti-democratic, heavy handed, pro-management, concessionary, policies.
The fact is that Sonny Hall has complete control over the TWU, and if Sonny Hall is the face of the TWU, then the TWU has the face of a coward.
Did you read the above post Calvin there are many many differences between the TWU and AMFA they are like night and day, the TWU is a corrupt Union that has no business representing anyone.
Do you see Delle hiding from the membership while making large sums of money from the members, NO you don't he is allways available to the members.
TWU where the Leaders are worthless as tits on a boar hog.
I will be at the Jan. 17th meeting not to see anyone from the TWU International as none of them have the guts to show up, I will be there to see a great man.
Mr. Delle Fememe.
Do you see Delle hiding from the membership while making large sums of money from the members, NO you don't he is allways available to the members.
TWU where the Leaders are worthless as tits on a boar hog.
I will be at the Jan. 17th meeting not to see anyone from the TWU International as none of them have the guts to show up, I will be there to see a great man.
Mr. Delle Fememe.
Mr Owens, were you innocent? Did you take an oath? I am not your judge nor do I want to be. I have read enough on your matter and seen enough written by both sides that I do not believe my $.02 is worth the time sir.
And I see Mr. Little, not Sonny Hall, as my union leader. I am a branch of the ATD. Mr Hall is over the entire union but Mr Little is the head honcho as I see it at AA. What Mr hall does with the bus drivers at local 100 is of no consequence to me. I am a AMT.
I will be at the Jan. 17th meeting not to see anyone from the TWU International as none of them have the guts to show up, I will be there to see a great man. Mr. Delle Fememe. ......isn't it Delle-Femine ? Don't want to see the wrong guy there.
And I see Mr. Little, not Sonny Hall, as my union leader. I am a branch of the ATD. Mr Hall is over the entire union but Mr Little is the head honcho as I see it at AA. What Mr hall does with the bus drivers at local 100 is of no consequence to me. I am a AMT.
I will be at the Jan. 17th meeting not to see anyone from the TWU International as none of them have the guts to show up, I will be there to see a great man. Mr. Delle Fememe. ......isn't it Delle-Femine ? Don't want to see the wrong guy there.
This is the one point that I agree with you Calvin Sonny Hall has nothing to do with Aviation although he does stick his nose into our business by filing charges against our elected officials and then not even having the guts to show up and face them, that really sucks, I agree that Jim Little is the Leader of the Aviation Division of TWU, but Delle challenged Hall thats fine he could send Jim Little if he wanted or if Jim Little is really to sick to debate then he could send someone else from the International to debate, but he will send no one because no one from the International has the guts to debate and that will end up being the TWUs downfall as people do no like their Leaders to be cowards, and it shows everytime their is a debate and a Leader does not show up they end up losing, I would like to see a debate but if the TWU does not send a Leader then I will be happy to hear what Delle has to say at the Brady, as for the Mechanic debate this forum is a PERFECT example of why a Mechanic debate will accomplish NOTHING what so ever, it is an absolute waste of time and I think very few ( UNPAID ) Mechanics will be there, I am sure the TWU UB Paid Mechanics will be at this pointless debate. 
Once again here is a preview of the Brady Theater debate.
http://www.air-mechanic.com/video/BradyVideo.wmv
Once again here is a preview of the Brady Theater debate.
http://www.air-mechanic.com/video/BradyVideo.wmv
I took an oath and I kept it as best as I possibly could. The leadership put me in the position of either violating the Constitution or resisting their efforts to violate the Constitution. I chose to resist.Calvin said:
You see Jim Little as your leader? Did you vote for him? You dont see Sonny Hall as your leader yet you are willing to allow him to appoint your leader. Does that make sense?
Mr. Owens, you ask two questions in one sentence. First question, I already stated I see Mr. Little as my leader of the TWU/ATD. Did I vote for him, no. I did not vote for Bush either, yet he is my President and I stand behind my country.
I believe you take Mr. Hall's position as President a bit literally. I have read about your dual unionship role in the NY local, does it really matter who put an end to it, Mr. Hall or Mr. Little? Perhaps Mr. Hall's position as Pres. was required to remove you, or perhaps you hit a nerve with him portraying your unionism as honest. I do not know, I do not agree with what you did but it's not my call to judge you either.
I still do not see what will change with AMFA. I believe I could find a few members at NWA that believe AMFA is corrupt, even though there may not be any hard evidence to support the acqusation. The fact Mr. Delle-Femine has been President of AMFA since it's conception, by him, bothers me. I can't believe in the 30 or so years it has been chartered that no one would strive for his position. Is this because just in the last 5 years the membership has grown over 500 members? When Mr. Delle-Femine passes away what will occur? A vote that no one has a bit of experience at, will all the loyal AMFA supporters and members go into a year of mourning, or longer? Has there been an instance where an elected AMFA rep has been removed from office as Mr. Owens and Mr. Cunningham?
One thing I have learned here in the country is to never "trust a smiling dog". AMFA has been doing a lot of smiling as I read here, there lies my hesitation.
I believe you take Mr. Hall's position as President a bit literally. I have read about your dual unionship role in the NY local, does it really matter who put an end to it, Mr. Hall or Mr. Little? Perhaps Mr. Hall's position as Pres. was required to remove you, or perhaps you hit a nerve with him portraying your unionism as honest. I do not know, I do not agree with what you did but it's not my call to judge you either.
I still do not see what will change with AMFA. I believe I could find a few members at NWA that believe AMFA is corrupt, even though there may not be any hard evidence to support the acqusation. The fact Mr. Delle-Femine has been President of AMFA since it's conception, by him, bothers me. I can't believe in the 30 or so years it has been chartered that no one would strive for his position. Is this because just in the last 5 years the membership has grown over 500 members? When Mr. Delle-Femine passes away what will occur? A vote that no one has a bit of experience at, will all the loyal AMFA supporters and members go into a year of mourning, or longer? Has there been an instance where an elected AMFA rep has been removed from office as Mr. Owens and Mr. Cunningham?
One thing I have learned here in the country is to never "trust a smiling dog". AMFA has been doing a lot of smiling as I read here, there lies my hesitation.
