TWU Reaches TA with company!

[JFK Fleet Service]

Funny they want to outsource dayline cabin at LGA,they've been telling us for years "LGA doesn't have cabin service".Never mind there haven't been dedicated cabin service bid spots since '03.

Cabin at LGA usually consists of the line crew cleaning after the offload or people on OT making a quick pass through the cabin.

 

[damajagua]

Does anyone here know when will the ballots results for this TA will be out?

 

[jimntx]

Where do you get 30 days?

Duh! Senior moment. 3months got translated into 30 days in my fevered brain. I'm a flight attendant. I'm paid to be cute, not smart.

 

[odie01]

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2011/10/27/delta-air-lines-american-airlines.html?ana=yfcpc

 

[DFWTWU]

Does anyone here know when will the ballots results for this TA will be out?

They are still working on the final language,a few weeks out before electronic posting and printouts.30 days for reviewing.
JUST SAY NO

 

[wrencher]

They are still working on the final language,a few weeks out before electronic posting and printouts.30 days for reviewing.
JUST SAY NO

YOU MEAN THE SPIN MASTERS ARE WORKING ON HOW TO SELL THIS PEICE OF $$$$$$$IT

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

YOU MEAN THE SPIN MASTERS ARE WORKING ON HOW TO SELL THIS PEICE OF $$$$$$$IT

Expect a nice colored flyer inserted into the ballot envelopes urging why people should vote yes to vote jobs away.

 

[eolesen]

Face it -- Fleet Service has the most to risk if AA goes to a Vermont Plan, and the least amount of bargaining power. They hit on a few of the emotional issues with holidays and the week of vacation... The 401K match "no less favorable than what is offered to management" seems to be more than fair. It's better than the 50% match up to 4% that I'm getting with my employer.

The retiree medical is definitely a big change, but I don't see too many people caring about letting cabin service go (it's a crappy job no matter how you look at it...), and fueling/bus driver only matters at a small number of stations.

 

[Hopeful]

Face it -- Fleet Service has the most to risk if AA goes to a Vermont Plan, and the least amount of bargaining power. They hit on a few of the emotional issues with holidays and the week of vacation... The 401K match "no less favorable than what is offered to management" seems to be more than fair. It's better than the 50% match up to 4% that I'm getting with my employer.

The retiree medical is definitely a big change, but I don't see too many people caring about letting cabin service go (it's a crappy job no matter how you look at it...), and fueling/bus driver only matters at a small number of stations.

I have to say i agree. It sux when a job classification is outsourced, but as long as there will be no layoffs as a result and those affected will be classified. And as long as they are reclassified into equal pay positions, I would tend to say that BK would be worse for the fleet service group in general. JFK already looks like SWISSPORT AIRLINES....AA could not only outsource maintenance, but they could more easily outsouce ALL of fleet. Let alone you could count on everyone's pension getting either terminated or frozen. At the end of the day, AA will get it wants. Except a proud and happy workforce that is.

One thing, E, the week vacation is restored to those with under 5 years only , the rest will not see any restoration of vacation. And retiree medical is a big thing as people will have to work until they are at least 65 unless they have other financial means to retire early.
But the way things are going in the US, many are facing the stark reality that they will either be working well to near 70 or in some cases, til they drop dead on the job. Unless, of course, you are not in the upper class of society!

 

[737823]

Now that cleaning functions have been outsourced will the aircraft be any cleaner? I assume not as AA will contract the lowest bidder and probably not provide sufficient oversight.

Josh

 

[Hopeful]

Looks like the largest stations recommend a YES.....
Notice the FINAL OFFER mention....

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/10/twu-presidents-split-in-their.html

 

[Hopeful]

Now that cleaning functions have been outsourced will the aircraft be any cleaner? I assume not as AA will contract the lowest bidder and probably not provide sufficient oversight.

Josh

At JFK, AirServ does AA's overnight cleaning..you know Air Serv? CARTY's baby?
I would say Air Serv is going to be hiring about 1200 people by the new year!

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

At JFK, AirServ does AA's overnight cleaning..you know Air Serv? CARTY's baby?
I would say Air Serv is going to be hiring about 1200 people by the new year!

ICE should swing through their ready room some time.Never ceases to amaze me how the Port Authority makes me jump through flaming hoops to renew my ID every year (And that is with a 1 call 10 year background check and no felony convictions),yet people who can't speak a word of English are allowed onto the ramp under escort in groups of a dozen or more literally the day after they apply for the job.

 

[Hopeful]

ICE should swing through their ready room some time.Never ceases to amaze me how the Port Authority makes me jump through flaming hoops to renew my ID every year (And that is with a 1 call 10 year background check and no felony convictions),yet people who can't speak a word of English are allowed onto the ramp under escort in groups of a dozen or more literally the day after they apply for the job.

You got that right!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FWAAA]

Overnight cleaning is already outsourced, right? What about cleaning at 11:00 pm or midnight at LAX to prepare east-bound redeyes? Reason I ask is that a few times, gate agents have begun boarding flights like LAX-BOS and LAX-MIA and LAX-JFK even though the cleaners haven't finished any part of the aircraft - so the F passengers end up standing on the jetbridge with the FAs as the FAs mutter how lousy the cleaners are. It's obvious that those cleaners don't see themselves as part of the team - throwing plenty of obscenities at the FAs when the FAs express their displeasure at the cleaner-slugs within earshot of half a jetway full of passengers. And nobody appears to be supervising the gangsta-lookalike cleaning staff.

It appears to be a thankless job but one requiring no technical skills or formal education. For several years, it appears that they haven't been adequately supervised or motivated to do a really good job. Hotel maids are under time constraints as well, but the 8th floor of the Hilton isn't going to take flight in 15-20 minutes - they've got basically from 8 am until mid-afternoon to clean their allotment of rooms. And hotel maids sometimes get tips from conscientious travelers. Dayline airplane cleaners? Plane arrives, people get off, and everyone yells that boarding must begin immediately (or within 10-20 minutes). I wouldn't want that job. Overnight cleaning - more like the hotel maid situation, with several hours to clean a bunch of planes.