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You don't have to get excited.......... You have NO control over what will happen. As someone else said in a post. "Just Relax and enjoy the ride"
I actually said that in a previous post! No we don't have controll over this industry.... have been here for 28 1/2 years....
have not had any controll yet.... ! Oh Well... I don't loose sleep at night over it. We will wake up to the news .... or lack there of at some point. We will see... however, another one of my great quoats... " if you don't like it..... QUIT!!! " or not!!
 
And herein the seeds are sown for the next incarnation of the Who Saved Who argument.

Can't blame people for wanting to protect what they've worked for regardless of who's uniform they've been wearing. It's been hard enough for folks at US and UA to try and keep what's theirs as it is, we have to be aware that management(s) are going to try to "synergize" the hell out of us by slicing here and snipping there. In this environment it's all too easy to retrench into the little camps we're familiar with, but in the face of this there will be no safety in clinging to the eroding identities of dead airlines.

AWA and the old US are gone; if this merger goes forward the East/West paradigm is going to get blown out of the water and a decent lot of us might just find out that the only good it's done us is leave us with our pants down when reality comes knocking at the door.

Crying, moaning, spitting, scratching, fighting, litigating and digging heels into the ground has proven entirely ineffective. If everyone plans on coming to the table with chips on their shoulders then we're guaranteed additional years of bitterness and infighting all to the benefit of management and the detriment of ourselves and those we work side by side with.

There's a lot to be afraid of right now seeing as there's so much speculation and so few details. I might be entirely naive and stupid but instead of seeing this as a guaranteed failure and bloodbath I think we need to drop the baggage, curtail the pride, suck it up and when the time warrants it, extend our hands across the way to our complimentary workgroups in UA and put some hard work in restoring the influence of labor and coming up with real solutions and a gameplan for success.

No one here doubts that any such merger has the potential to be monstrously complicated and painful, but in five years hence I'd rather be working at a healthy and functional carrier than having internet fights and workplace animosity with my involuntary coworkers. This bitterness and baggage is exhausting and soul dragging, and I haven't even been in the game that long; it's the Kool-Aid we've all been making and passing around. We should no longer accommodate or pay heed to those that would rather obsess over fading injustices than plan for and work towards a better future.

Stay in the know, get educated, get prepared, get involved...I know I will. Better this than waiting for lawyers to hash it out years from now. Am I the only one that feels this way? Optimism is refreshing even if it's unfounded. If this merger is a case of out-of-the-frying-pan-and-into-the-fire I'd rather be tap dancing on the top of the flames than burning away into a cinder.

The holy spirit has spoken. Words to live by.

Great post, ChockJockey.

Peace,

~J A M A K E
 
Don't try to dodge the question. Answer yes or no. Do you believe that the US East pilots should honor the result of a final and binding arbitration which is something that is mandatory in McAskill/Bond for which you and your fellow TWAers proudly take credit for? Or do you believe that such a decision only counts when DOH is awarded to the very senior workforce of a failed company.


clearly aafsc you have the typical AA big ego, too bad you weren't blessed with the common sense to stay on topic
 
Now you're talking!


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSj3cek1qiEY&pos=4




looks like things may have taken a twist.

"April 8 (Bloomberg) -- Continental Airlines Inc., the fourth-largest U.S. carrier, is examining its options after the disclosure of merger talks between United Airlines and US Airways Group Inc., a person familiar with the matter said. "
 
This cracked me up....

UA + US = Mega Customer Unfriendly Airline?

Winship said he's most worried that the US Airways approach to travelers would be the one that survives. He said US Airways gave away about 4 percent of its seats to frequent fliers last year -- half the rate of United, American, and Southwest. And US Airways riled passengers last year when it tried to charge for bottled water; it backed down.

"Overall, they have been a pretty consumer-unfriendly airline," he said. If US Airways is the corporate culture that survives, instead of "a midsized consumer-unfriendly carrier, we would have a mega consumer-unfriendly carrier," he said.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

For a little bit of time there, I thought US Management had singled me out.....okay, not really. I know us VFFers and High Yield customers are akin to Satan's brothers and sisters at The Sand Castle.... :lol:
 
We have it in our contract..... has nothing to do w/ UAL's contract.... read your contract...
I have read MY contract. My contract is not the same as your contract. Not yet at least. I can only hope that it becomes our contract before this goes through.
 
Just let it happen, let the execs pocket money, let the unions get more cash while jobs are lost and wages are reduced. Just let it happen mean while just remember
WALSTIB
 
Good WSJ piece...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/08/but-would-a-ualus-airways-merger-pass-doj-muster-this-time/

Would a UAL/US Airways Merger Pass DOJ Muster This Time?
If the US Airways/United Airlines merger talks heat up (here, here) and the companies do ultimately decide to shack up, the companies will have some history to overcome before they’re allowed to become one.

The year was 2001. In July of that year, the Justice Department blocked the same proposed deal, saying the acquisition would have created a monopoly or duopoly in more than 30 nonstop routes in markets valued at more than $1.6 billion a year. It also said the deal would have limited competition on other routes valued at $4 billion in annual consumer spending.

Fast forward nine years. So what, if anything, now justifies folks at UAL and US Airways thinking that the deal will pass antitrust muster? After all, the original deal was scuttled by John Ashcroft’s Justice Department, one known for having a relatively light touch vis-a-vis big mergers. Eric Holder and current antitrust division head Christine Varney are said to be approaching mergers with a much more discerning eye.

For a little help with the question, we checked in with John Briggs, the co-chair of the antitrust department at a firm known for its antitrust practice, Axinn, Veltrop & Harkrider. (Axinn isn’t involved in the deal). Briggs feels that the deal will have a good shot of getting through this time. Below is a summary of our conversation
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My own USD 0.02 is that I hope a merger does happen, even the combined US/HP is just too small. I hope hope and pray that UAL's people would run things, not those in Tempe.
 
Just let it happen, let the execs pocket money, let the unions get more cash while jobs are lost and wages are reduced. Just let it happen mean while just remember
WALSTIB



WALSTIB.....give me a hint.... 😀...start me off w/ the first word. Racking me brains and for the love of Pete I am hitting a brick wall.
 
I Tilton runs the show then were all gone. He is a monster that has no room for unions or any other employee. He will
shrink or ruin any airline he runs. After all he got in the BK he still can't show a profit.
 
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