UA Leaving MIA

[gso2pit]

:down:

It appears that UA will be leaving MIA this fall. Based on the 9/20 schedule, UA will be down to:
2xE70 IAD
2XE70 ORD
The twice daily TED to DEN appears to be cut. Anyone know who will get the handling contract? Best wishes to all the UA people who are affected. :angry:

 

[FA Mikey]

Sad to see it come to this. Not so long ago there were 767's and 747's going to ORD, SFO and to Central and South America. What happened to UA and MIA?

 

[LuAve]

Sad to see it come to this. Not so long ago there were 767's and 747's going to ORD, SFO and to Central and South America. What happened to UA and MIA?

Cheap fares and no profit, that;s what happened.
Full planes don't mean a thing unless you have a good profit margin. There is not enough biz people starting out or ending in MIA, just tourists. Biz pax all went to South America via IAD or ORD.
Pax to MIA are, for the most part, cheap tix from South America. The middle class in Brasil or Argentina make about $30kUS a year. UA (or AA or CO) can not ask them to pay the same fares as European do, they can not afford it.
Than to make matters worse, South America flights, for any airline, are not the most productive for an aircraft. We arrive at 9am-11am and leave at 8-11pm. The plane seats there all day! In Europe, same aircraft is turned around in about 2hrs.
Miami is no money making operation, unless you have very, very low costs.
Full airplanes don't mean s*** unless you charging real money.

 

[AIRBORN1]

Funny- It seems AA is making money in Miami? United just didn't give it a chance. American is moving planes from DFW and adding a whole new set of flights in Miami because this is where the money is. Management had a big meeting in DFW on Thursday on the new flights
heading to Miami. They will be announced soon.

just wait. United just ran out and gave it away to AA. We could've been big in latin america and europe from Miami. Look at Spirit
they must be doing something right out of FLL to keep adding more destinations against AA.

 

[FA Mikey]

Full airplanes don't mean s*** unless you charging real money.

I guess its a good thing AA is doing just that. Even at the end Pan Am was still making good money on its Central and South America flying.


Any news on whats coming to Miami, AIRBORN1?

 

[FWAAA]

I guess its a good thing AA is doing just that. Even at the end Pan Am was still making good money on its Central and South America flying.

Agreed. Between Domestic, Atlantic, Pacific and Latin America, AA's highest unit revenue comes from the DOT Latin America segment. In the first quarter, Latin America RASM was 12.1 cents compared to just 9.8 in the Pacific and 9.4 in the Atlantic. For AA, MIA is a highly profitable location.

 

[TechBoy]

For AA, MIA is a highly profitable location.

Given recent results, it's unlikely that AA has any "highly profitable" locations. That said, MIA is definitely a success story for AA.

As for UA, MIA was never in the cards. MIA is a mix of very low fare domestic and high fare Latin American/Caribbean traffic. Enough for one successful hub, but it is nowhere near big enough to support two. In fact, only ORD seems to be able to do that. So while some may complain about UA's constant retreat in MIA, it was inevitable.

 

[autofixer]

Maybe the (gosh I hope not) merger with LCC is on the horizon and CLT is the main Latin/Carribean hub for LCC. Why duplicate those routes out of MIA?

 

[FA Mikey]

Given recent results, it's unlikely that AA has any "highly profitable" locations. That said, MIA is definitely a success story for AA.

As for UA, MIA was never in the cards. MIA is a mix of very low fare domestic and high fare Latin American/Caribbean traffic. Enough for one successful hub, but it is nowhere near big enough to support two. In fact, only ORD seems to be able to do that. So while some may complain about UA's constant retreat in MIA, it was inevitable.

A 2.3 cent RASM difference between S. America and pacific is quite large. Even with a quarterly loss, parts of the company can be raking in the cash while other areas are draining it.


UAL never built a feed for there flights and depended mainly on local traffic. Had they fought and built some feed in they could still be in Miami like and with AA.

Dont look for UA to move flights from IAD and ORD to CLT.

 

[flyhigh]

AA benefited from buying the more profitable Latin operation (Eastern's) whereas UA bought Pan Am's which never was quite as good.

 

[jj]

True about go where the money is.Transstates must be a good customer AA is letting them take planes from STL and put them on more profitable MIA ops.Look for more flights to come to MIA> h34r:

 

[Art at ISP]

Actually this is nothing new. UA mainline periodically pulls out of MIA, leaving only CRJ's and EMB's to IAD and ORD.

At one point there was Ted in the mix as well, but I guess just having the E70's will give them all the presence they need.

 

[JFK777]

UA got killed in Miami by the silver bird, its name is AA 777. Those 777 to GRU & EZE just did in the United.

 

[laura62]

UA got killed in Miami by the silver bird, its name is AA 777. Those 777 to GRU & EZE just did in the United.

Ua was the launch customer of the B777.

UA once operated777s to GRU & EZE.

UA walked away from MIA.

 

[delta777]

Cheap fares and no profit, that;s what happened.
Full planes don't mean a thing unless you have a good profit margin. There is not enough biz people starting out or ending in MIA, just tourists. Biz pax all went to South America via IAD or ORD.
Pax to MIA are, for the most part, cheap tix from South America. The middle class in Brasil or Argentina make about $30kUS a year. UA (or AA or CO) can not ask them to pay the same fares as European do, they can not afford it.
Than to make matters worse, South America flights, for any airline, are not the most productive for an aircraft. We arrive at 9am-11am and leave at 8-11pm. The plane seats there all day! In Europe, same aircraft is turned around in about 2hrs.
Miami is no money making operation, unless you have very, very low costs.
Full airplanes don't mean s*** unless you charging real money.

This may be true for UA, but AA has done quite well with Miami.