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Hear that dude?....A mouse peeing on a bale of cotton!!!!! 😱
Garfield1966
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Let me know when that General actually takes his family on vacation to Iraq and does not have a full battalion taking over watch. A few things are improving from horrible to just bad and you are jumping for joy. Let me know wen the Iraqs are even close to governing them selves. Let me know when we find the 130,000 weapons that are MIA (hopefully they will not be used against our troops). Let me know when the Suni, and Shia shake hands and play nice (till that happens there will never be peace in Iraq much less democracy).
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I am glad that there are some successes in Iraq -- regardless of how small they might be, and regardless of whether I think they should start bringing some troops home.
Whether our troops are there for 10 more years, or 10 more weeks, I want them to be as successful as possible in creating a secure environment more favorable to political action by the Iraqi government -- a government where rival factions can work out a peaceful way to share power (without the crutch of our military).
That is a tall order... but if our troops are going to be there, then they might as well create as many success stories as possible.
Whether our troops are there for 10 more years, or 10 more weeks, I want them to be as successful as possible in creating a secure environment more favorable to political action by the Iraqi government -- a government where rival factions can work out a peaceful way to share power (without the crutch of our military).
That is a tall order... but if our troops are going to be there, then they might as well create as many success stories as possible.
Hey dell, I bet if you throw 10 Billion a month into just about any adventure you would have some success
I can't you believe this crap, but you probably listen to O'reilly ha?. At what cost? Let me see we lost another 6 over the weekend, spent another couple bill, and the latest? Offering recruits 40grand to reinlist. Like I said with that kind of money (our money) we are spending you are bound to get results, don'y ya think?Hey i got an idea, how about sending an extra 5 grand in on your tax bill this year to help pay for it
That is my biggest pet peeve, as far as the GI's getting killed, I hate it however this is a all volunteer service. Now bring back the draft , then i get pissed....Hey dell, I bet if you throw 10 Billion a month into just about any adventure you would have some success
Hey i got an idea, how about sending an extra 5 grand in on your tax bill this year to help pay for it
Suppose you support the troops but not the war...so big a cliche these days now isn't it?
If one supports the troops to show them actual total unforgiving support means supporting the damn mission.I support the whole frigging mission because I totally support my troops on the battlefield whether or not they don't come home.They went there and did their best and I support that total effort....not just the troops.
I hate Liberal monkey punk cliche's.......
And BTW Brownie...if you make all those friggin' bucks working for UPS ,I figure one of two things,you have enough money for a spell check program or you can afford to better yourself at some type community college....
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More bad news for the libbers to soil themselves over!!!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2246581.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2246581.ece
jerseyfinn
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What Delldude said
.Patriotism is sometimes not about defiance or standing apart from the crowd with a dissenting view. It's about respect even if your own view is not in lock-step with the rest of society. Years ago, this was referred to as "good behavior" or "decency". But the PC police replaced this with self esteem and other excuses for not behaving respectfully -- always in the name of individual freedom of course.
Decency and some plain and simple good behavior can allow folks of dissenting views/position to stand together and learn some humility, especially since some of our guys and gals either don't make it home or they come home injured -- all because they had the courage to relinquish some of their individuality.
Yes, one can indeed debate the worth/cost of their sacrifice. But that too should occur with emotions always governed by respect for those who simply followed orders ( and to their families ).
There's something terribly wrong when individuals and a political party actually hopes deep in their heart that a (reviled) president will fail simply to satiate their own vile hatred and narrow-minded world view.
But that's how lots of us translate that BS line about "I support our troops, but not our President".
Shame on you!
Barry
Garfield1966
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There is no need to hope that Cheney fails. He has failed. You may interpret my support for the troops and my disdain for Cheney any way you damn well please. If you choose not to hold Cheney accountable for his actions you are more than welcome to. The rest of us are not going to let him get away with it. His legacy will be for ever linked with this fiasco he dragged this country into.
I believe that it is very easy to just sit quietly by and aqueous to the powers that be. You can call that "good behavior". I call that cowardly. The people who are out there speaking out against Cheney are just as much of a patriot as anyone else. Cheney has squandered world support, over 3,000 troops, uncounted numbers of mercenaries and tens of thousands of Iraqis for some unknown reason. If you would like to support Cheney, you are more than likely to do so, but don't pretend to know what is in my heart and tell me that I am full of BS. There are plenty of people in uniform who have come out and said that Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest have screwed up and screwed up bad. When is the last time that this many men n uniform have spoken out against the CIC? I cannot remember a single time when this happened, much less in the volume that is going on now. Should they be ashamed of them selves as well?
When have the troops been condemned for their actions? Everything I read condemns the republicans for being a piss boy for the administration. I do not recall seeing any main stream condemnation of the troops. Rumsfeld was the one who said you fight with what you have not what you want. If a Dem had said that, he would have been roasted. The republicans are the ones who sent in inadequate force to accomplish the mission, they are the ones who had not plan for what to do when Sadam was gone. They are the ones who sent troops into a region with virtually no understanding of the tribe dynamics and what the after results would be.
And you have the nerve to say the Dems do not support the troops? That argument does not hold enough water to fill a cymbal. You want to see hypocracy. Look in the mirror. You sport the president and don't support the troops. That is the real BS being passed around the republican party. You are putting Cheneys reputation above the concern for the well being of the troops. You are the one who seems to be placing the republican party's well being above the well being of the troops. Cheney screwed up so bad it is beyond just failure. It is criminal but this country has not got the balls to call him on it. The Dems sure has ell don't have the balls and they are complicit in the Iraq fiasco. They all voted for it because they feared they would loose their seat in Congress. They put their own career ahead of the well being of the country. They are letting Cheney get away with lying and murder. He subverts and twists the Constitution at will and Congress allows him to get away with it. You let him get away with it. You don't seem to give a rats ass about the troops.
Bush said when he was campaigning against Clinton that he does not believe in nation building. Guess that was one more big fat lie that Cheney had Bush tell. One of many.
Your arrogance is astounding.
I believe that it is very easy to just sit quietly by and aqueous to the powers that be. You can call that "good behavior". I call that cowardly. The people who are out there speaking out against Cheney are just as much of a patriot as anyone else. Cheney has squandered world support, over 3,000 troops, uncounted numbers of mercenaries and tens of thousands of Iraqis for some unknown reason. If you would like to support Cheney, you are more than likely to do so, but don't pretend to know what is in my heart and tell me that I am full of BS. There are plenty of people in uniform who have come out and said that Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest have screwed up and screwed up bad. When is the last time that this many men n uniform have spoken out against the CIC? I cannot remember a single time when this happened, much less in the volume that is going on now. Should they be ashamed of them selves as well?
When have the troops been condemned for their actions? Everything I read condemns the republicans for being a piss boy for the administration. I do not recall seeing any main stream condemnation of the troops. Rumsfeld was the one who said you fight with what you have not what you want. If a Dem had said that, he would have been roasted. The republicans are the ones who sent in inadequate force to accomplish the mission, they are the ones who had not plan for what to do when Sadam was gone. They are the ones who sent troops into a region with virtually no understanding of the tribe dynamics and what the after results would be.
And you have the nerve to say the Dems do not support the troops? That argument does not hold enough water to fill a cymbal. You want to see hypocracy. Look in the mirror. You sport the president and don't support the troops. That is the real BS being passed around the republican party. You are putting Cheneys reputation above the concern for the well being of the troops. You are the one who seems to be placing the republican party's well being above the well being of the troops. Cheney screwed up so bad it is beyond just failure. It is criminal but this country has not got the balls to call him on it. The Dems sure has ell don't have the balls and they are complicit in the Iraq fiasco. They all voted for it because they feared they would loose their seat in Congress. They put their own career ahead of the well being of the country. They are letting Cheney get away with lying and murder. He subverts and twists the Constitution at will and Congress allows him to get away with it. You let him get away with it. You don't seem to give a rats ass about the troops.
Bush said when he was campaigning against Clinton that he does not believe in nation building. Guess that was one more big fat lie that Cheney had Bush tell. One of many.
Your arrogance is astounding.
U
UAL_TECH
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Barry,
Well then shame on me as well. I have the ‘done there been there’ hat on this ‘political’ philosophy and I can say from my experiences that sending young men to war and dying without a clear objective is purely unadulterated bullshit.
GW had an opportunity of a ‘lifetime’ and blew it. :down:
Here’s what I think about 'Da Prez'? :down:
B) UT
I believe that it is very easy to just sit quietly by and aqueous to the powers that be.
Its aquiesce.....
Ahhh...Gar....White House at all costs....
You should look into some of John Murtha's comments regarding some Marines being accused of war crimes....
Dude...its Thimble
UAL TECH- your lead in on your link tells me from the old days until now...looks like nothing much has changed over the years.
Garfield1966
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Duh! It's politics. Repubs want to keep it and the Dems want to take it away. What else is new?
If you have the quotes, post the links.
U
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Yep,
SOSDD!!!
Difference is history. Some learn from it, others repeat it expecting different results.
Take Care,
B) UT
