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Union WALKOUT cripples port of Los Angeles and Long Beach !

KCFlyer said:
Yep...the jobs will shift to TExas and Florida and South Carolina (if they will deepen the port). And those jobs will pay less...bringing down the overall average income for the US. Oh gosh...if only EVERYONE would work for less...this country would be a paradise.
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Let's do a cost of living analysis of Georgia, S.C. or Texas vs. Kalifornia !
 
KCFlyer said:
Yep...the jobs will shift to TExas and Florida and South Carolina (if they will deepen the port). And those jobs will pay less...bringing down the overall average income for the US. Oh gosh...if only EVERYONE would work for less...this country would be a paradise.
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It will also put more people to work, with product moving off the ships faster, and more efficiently than it does under the ILWU's rates and workrules.
 
eolesen said:
It will also put more people to work, with product moving off the ships faster, and more efficiently than it does under the ILWU's rates and workrules.
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So is it a dream of conservatives to drive down wages for anyone who has to work for a living? Sure seems that way. I know there will be more jobs when the wages are lower, but at what point did the American dream involve everyone working two jobs to survive?
 
Thinking like the megarich doesn't make a person one of them.

It does make a person a pompous ass, without the money.
 
KCFlyer said:
Yep...the jobs will shift to TExas and Florida and South Carolina (if they will deepen the port). And those jobs will pay less...bringing down the overall average income for the US. Oh gosh...if only EVERYONE would work for less...this country would be a paradise.
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Jobs will pay less......Hmmmm.....as opposed to a union job and its effect on consumer prices?
Highest priced grocery in my area is Giant Eagle.....union...cool I got no issue with that.....they(Giant Eagle) just opened a new product called Value King to compete with Giant Eagle....non union too....all the other grocers in the area are nonunion.....Giant Eagle has been crying about costs....wonder why?
Unions are 7% of the workforce....they were 12% when I left aviation......looks like 93% don't give crap where they get their products, only that they save money.
 
delldude said:
Jobs will pay less......Hmmmm.....as opposed to a union job and its effect on consumer prices?
Highest priced grocery in my area is Giant Eagle.....union...cool I got no issue with that.....they(Giant Eagle) just opened a new product called Value King to compete with Giant Eagle....non union too....all the other grocers in the area are nonunion.....Giant Eagle has been crying about costs....wonder why?
Unions are 7% of the workforce....they were 12% when I left aviation......looks like 93% don't give crap where they get their products, only that they save money.
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Good point Dell. The grocery business is but the latest to suffer the same fate as Big Steel, Aviation & Manufacturing in general. I have a contract for services with a company called Supervalu. The operate 1124 (last count) grocery stores coast to coast. Currently they have put themselves on the market and to date no takers. WHY?

6 Billion in unfunded defined benefit obligations spread across 171 seperate union contracts for a start
Enough debt to choke a brontasaurus left over from the Albertson's aquisition
a 3.5% drop nationwide in store traffic
Some of the highest wages in the industry
A non stop assault from Wal-Mart and Target that has accounted for those retailers gaining 15% of the total market in under 10 years
The proliferation of non union chains

All of the above leads to a grocery chain with retail prices between 9 to 11 percent higher. There is plenty of blame to go around as usual. The debt and pension obligation could easily sink the company if changes aren't made. Even Samuel Gompers knew that the one sure fire way for a union to succeed was with a company that is making a profit. Supervalu isn't and if they can't restructure their debt and pension obligations or find a buyer the Bankruptcy courts will do it for them.

Modern day unions forget global market forces and thus fail to take them into consideration.
 
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Olesen,....Stick with aviation, because when it comes to Dock Workers..aka...LONGSHOREMEN and thier UNIONS (ILWU + ILA)...YOU don't Know ...."SH!T from SHINOLA" !!
(The above link is my ...'Winter Solstice'... gift to YOU ) !

NO shipping container is Loaded or Unloaded in ANY US port or Canadian ports, unless its done by the ILWU or the ILA, regardless of your treasured R T W ..Bull Sh!T.

PS,..F Y I.
Ask yourself ..W H Y...., whenever there's a Strike, the shippers 'LOCK-THEM-OUT' , or WHY the Shippers do NOT want them forced Back-to-Work ! Give up ? Can't figure out the answer ? OK, I'll tell YOU Why.

Because they are a REAL..UNBREAKABLE UNION, with BALLS of STEEL, 'Thats WHY'.

(Jesus, I gotta' figure that a loaded container...D R O P P E D..from 2/300 feet up in the air would get a lot of folks attention, wouldn't YOU) ???

R T W.....'this' !
 
delldude said:
Jobs will pay less......Hmmmm.....as opposed to a union job and its effect on consumer prices?
Highest priced grocery in my area is Giant Eagle.....union...cool I got no issue with that.....they(Giant Eagle) just opened a new product called Value King to compete with Giant Eagle....non union too....all the other grocers in the area are nonunion.....Giant Eagle has been crying about costs....wonder why?
Unions are 7% of the workforce....they were 12% when I left aviation......looks like 93% don't give crap where they get their products, only that they save money.
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THat conservative wonderland of Texas had that "Texas miracle"....created more jobs than any other state. THe jobs they created were minimum wage....they most likely would pay less if the conservatives got their dream and aboloshied that....and TExas has a higher number of poor than the other states. THAT my friend is the conservative dream...if someone wants to acheive the American dream, let him work two jobs.
 
KCFlyer said:
THat conservative wonderland of Texas had that "Texas miracle"....created more jobs than any other state. THe jobs they created were minimum wage....they most likely would pay less if the conservatives got their dream and aboloshied that....and TExas has a higher number of poor than the other states. THAT my friend is the conservative dream...if someone wants to acheive the American dream, let him work two jobs.
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Economics 101, In order for an economy to flourish it needs all the entry level positions it can find. WHY? Because Minimum wage jobs and their workers literally "Grow up" and as people advace their careers their wages increae and those low wage jobs are filled by those who are starting out.
Very seldom does one jump in at the middle rungs of the career ladder. Low wages may be static in some industries, however workers and their movements are quite fluid.

Bottom line is we need jobs of any kind to relight the economic engine. So good for Texas and other states like ND.
 
SparrowHawk said:
Economics 101, In order for an economy to flourish it needs all the entry level positions it can find. WHY? Because Minimum wage jobs and their workers literally "Grow up" and as people advace their careers their wages increae and those low wage jobs are filled by those who are starting out.
Very seldom does one jump in at the middle rungs of the career ladder. Low wages may be static in some industries, however workers and their movements are quite fluid.

Bottom line is we need jobs of any kind to relight the economic engine. So good for Texas and other states like ND.
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Economics 102 - when high paying jobs are replaced by "entry level paying" jobs, the American dream can only be achieved by working TWO entry level jobs. We had an opening for an accounting clerk and had people with MBA's applying for the job. So when you got someone who had been making $65k applying for a job paying $25k...is that the American dream? His job at Sprint was eliminated in a cost cutting measure (did I mention his job was NOT union??). Not only did he "move on"...nobody "moved up" either. Or...the person who eventually gets moved up will do so making $50k instead of $65k...because that's the new "market value" of the job.

Also...as you push the age to qualify for Medicare and Social security up, people will stay in those jobs longer, slowing the advancement of those folks moving up.
 
KCFlyer said:
Economics 102 - when high paying jobs are replaced by "entry level paying" jobs, the American dream can only be achieved by working TWO entry level jobs. We had an opening for an accounting clerk and had people with MBA's applying for the job. So when you got someone who had been making $65k applying for a job paying $25k...is that the American dream? His job at Sprint was eliminated in a cost cutting measure (did I mention his job was NOT union??). Not only did he "move on"...nobody "moved up" either. Or...the person who eventually gets moved up will do so making $50k instead of $65k...because that's the new "market value" of the job.

Also...as you push the age to qualify for Medicare and Social security up, people will stay in those jobs longer, slowing the advancement of those folks moving up.
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That's Capitalism! It's not the corporations or the individuals fault, the fault lies with government and the Federal Reserve.
 
eolesen said:
You do realize that the sun may be setting on the ILWU?...

Once the Panama Canal widening project is done, the importance of the west coast ports will plummet. Container ships from Asia will be able to head into the Gulf of Mexico, where labor costs are significantly cheaper. Some existing ports are already deep-dredging to make room for the mega-ships, and there's a new port under consideration (http://www.stmarynow...ies_left_column).

When the wide lanes in the canal open in 2014, it's possible you'll see a reversal of traffic flows -- right now it is predominantly full eastbound, empties west. That will shift to empties east, full west, particularly coming out of Houston and Louisiana.
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I'm preety sure the ILA members on the Gulf Coast will appreciate the added work. More members and increased bargaining power if this comes to fruition.
 
One thing no one has considered is just because some states are right to work states doesn't mean if significant amounts of shipping move to other ports they won't eventually be ILA ports. The south is not union friendly but there are plently of union members down there.

ILA has been over the years smart enough to look ahead to the next battle or battlefield and be ready to protect their turf. ILA is one union I wouldn't sell short.
 
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